Intuitive learning

[Coma]

Would you guys agree that there are certain techniques that cannot be straight ahead taught? You just have to stumble upon them in a sudden moment of enlightenment? I mean, anyone can learn to read notation, but I know certain things seem to elude certain guitarists for years. Think of it as that one class you never really managed to pass.

I can still, after 13 years, not do a pick scape for my life. One of my mates, been playing metal for 10 years, still can't do a pinch harmonic.

 

[Shadow1psc]

Re: Intuitive learning

The only thing that came to mind is a pinch harmonic. Every other technique I can think of can be explained in a manner that should leave the student able to envision what you're getting at.

 

[TheLivingDead]

Re: Intuitive learning

Pick attack/angles and diggin' in in key moments. "Feel". Comes with years of playing and jamming.

 

[Snoogles]

Re: Intuitive learning

Good Times Bad Times solo
had all the notes down, but couldn't get the feel, or timing
got drunk
picked up the guitar, and BAM. there it was

call me a dysfunctional-sober

 

[Aceman]

Re: Intuitive learning

I have a Ph.D. in Cognitive Psychology, with a heavy emphasis in motor learning and have spent time doing research at a center for music research.

No.

You were poorly instructed
You didn't practice sufficiently
You never received feedback
You gave up

 

[Coma]

Re: Intuitive learning

I have a Ph.D. in Cognitive Psychology, with a heavy emphasis in motor learning and have spent time doing research at a center for music research.

No.

You were poorly instructed
You didn't practice sufficiently
You never received feedback
You gave up

That, however, brings up another point: What exactly is it you do there? I've just been accepted into psychology at Uni, wil be starting a five year diploma in three weeks. But I have no interest whatsoever in being a therapist.


Oh, and for the record:

Yes
Yes
Yes
**** no, not yet.

 

[Snoogles]

Re: Intuitive learning

I have a Ph.D. in Cognitive Psychology...

are you accepting any new patients?

 

[j9fd3s]

Re: Intuitive learning

Would you guys agree that there are certain techniques that cannot be straight ahead taught? You just have to stumble upon them in a sudden moment of enlightenment? I mean, anyone can learn to read notation, but I know certain things seem to elude certain guitarists for years. Think of it as that one class you never really managed to pass.

I can still, after 13 years, not do a pick scape for my life. One of my mates, been playing metal for 10 years, still can't do a pinch harmonic.

i've never taken a lesson, but really do they teach pick scrapes? they could have a pick scrape class, or you could sit down and try it for a couple hours.

it IS hard to teach feel, but it could be done.

-mike

 

[Aceman]

Re: Intuitive learning

That, however, brings up another point: What exactly is it you do there? I've just been accepted into psychology at Uni, wil be starting a five year diploma in three weeks. But I have no interest whatsoever in being a therapist.

Uni? Sounds very Euro/Ozz. 5 years? It's not that hard. I don't work at a University and am not a therapist and decided I didn't want to be one about 8 weeks into my Intro Psych class. That book had 18 Chapters. Three were about Personality, Disorders, and Treatment. The other 15....you'll see. Send me a PM.

are you accepting any new patients?

Hey - advice in the Soundoff is free. And I'm not a therapist. And I would not be taking YOU if I were!

i've never taken a lesson, but really do they teach pick scrapes? they could have a pick scrape class, or you could sit down and try it for a couple hours.

it IS hard to teach feel, but it could be done.

-mike

Here is something to chew on: Is FEEL anything more than a combination of timing, rhythm, and dynamics/expression (slide, rake, staccato, etc)?

Can you learn timing? Rhythm? Dynamics? :scratchch

 

[aleclee]

Re: Intuitive learning

Pinch harmonics absolutely can be taught. In fact, I learned how to do 'em based on a description on a discussion board. Given that, I'd say a guitar teacher who can't explain it face-to-face is a lousy instructor.

One thing that I don't think can be taught is how to listen as part of an ensemble, mainly because the person has to value what everyone else is doing. I've seen too many skilled players who don't hear changes and actually interact with the other musicians in the group. Until they find the right headspace, they can't be taught how to effectively play with others.

Anything technical can be taught, up to the physical limitations of the individual. We all have differing potential. While a player may be taught how to compose a part that fits in accordance with music theory and the piece's rhythm, the ability to come up with a catchy hook is a gift that probably can't be taught.