TattooedCarrot
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Can the giant hex screws on the Invader be swapped out with regular screws to give it a more traditional look? And if so, how would it change the tone? I was thinking of one under a chrome cover.
Invader with regular pole pieces?
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3 cent hero
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
aperently the invader sounds like a full shred with those huge hex screws replaced with standard screwsTattooedCarrot said:
TattooedCarrot
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Really? The tone chart shows there EQ's to be totally opposite.
Really? The tone chart shows there EQ's to be totally opposite.
Davey
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
i asked that before.. noone really knew what the sound would be and how much of the invaders sound actually comes from those fuggly allen head pole pieces
i'm up for an experiment hehe... who's willing to sacrifice his invader for testing purposes?
i asked that before.. noone really knew what the sound would be and how much of the invaders sound actually comes from those fuggly allen head pole pieces
i'm up for an experiment hehe... who's willing to sacrifice his invader for testing purposes?
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TheProphet
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
I highly doubt that. The Magnets are completely different.
Going from my experience with the JB and Full Shred, I feel that an FS with the standard pole pieces would sound damn close the the JB as they have an extremely similar voicing and EQ.
The closest pup with a similar magnet to the Invader is the Distortion I believe but I doubt that they would sound similar
3 cent hero said:
I highly doubt that. The Magnets are completely different.
Going from my experience with the JB and Full Shred, I feel that an FS with the standard pole pieces would sound damn close the the JB as they have an extremely similar voicing and EQ.
The closest pup with a similar magnet to the Invader is the Distortion I believe but I doubt that they would sound similar
Fusion1
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Good luck getting regular slotted Filister poles to replace the large Invader poles. Normal slotted Filister poles are 5-40 threads, and the Invader poles are 10-32 threads. Two completely different beasts. You can use the older Dimarzio allen poles as they are the exact threads needed. The ones I took from my Super III were a perfect fit.
If you search you might find a set screw that is 10-32 and has a slotted head instead of a hex head but I've never seen one except on one of my Westone's import humbuckers
Good luck getting regular slotted Filister poles to replace the large Invader poles. Normal slotted Filister poles are 5-40 threads, and the Invader poles are 10-32 threads. Two completely different beasts. You can use the older Dimarzio allen poles as they are the exact threads needed. The ones I took from my Super III were a perfect fit.
If you search you might find a set screw that is 10-32 and has a slotted head instead of a hex head but I've never seen one except on one of my Westone's import humbuckers
Fusion1
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Well I checked on a few fasterner suppliers sites and they do have Filisters in 10-32 sizes but that also means the head would be larger similar to the large Invader button heads, only it would be a stainless streel Filister which might look cool.
Well I checked on a few fasterner suppliers sites and they do have Filisters in 10-32 sizes but that also means the head would be larger similar to the large Invader button heads, only it would be a stainless streel Filister which might look cool.
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Forbes
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Nooooooo chance!
:burnout: :burnout:
Davey said:
Nooooooo chance!
:burnout: :burnout:
guitarfreak1386
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
well the black oxide screws att an extra punch to the pickup, i know that their size and chemical makup add an extra boost or punch to your playing, giving the invader it's distinct sound clean and dirty, so, in short, it will change the tone
well the black oxide screws att an extra punch to the pickup, i know that their size and chemical makup add an extra boost or punch to your playing, giving the invader it's distinct sound clean and dirty, so, in short, it will change the tone
Inge Malmstein
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
I think it would come closer to the Distortion. Or, a distortion with 3 (instead 1) magnet could be fatter. I also wondered if there could be a regular version of the invader. It looks so strange! How would be a single coil with such screws? I think it might be like a quarterpound.
I think it would come closer to the Distortion. Or, a distortion with 3 (instead 1) magnet could be fatter. I also wondered if there could be a regular version of the invader. It looks so strange! How would be a single coil with such screws? I think it might be like a quarterpound.
TattooedCarrot
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Just thought I resurrect this old thread to add a reply I got from Gibson customer service. I guess that pretty much answers the question.
Just thought I resurrect this old thread to add a reply I got from Gibson customer service. I guess that pretty much answers the question.
TattooedCarrot
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Yea, but it looks like I'm gonna lose the big tone. I want something thick and fairly hot for the bridge of an SG, think Gibson Iommi or Dirty Fingers but in a Duncan. The Invader is the only thing I think comes close, but I need it under a cover to keep the traditional look and according to Duncan removing the large poles will eliminate a lot of the big tone.
Yea, but it looks like I'm gonna lose the big tone. I want something thick and fairly hot for the bridge of an SG, think Gibson Iommi or Dirty Fingers but in a Duncan. The Invader is the only thing I think comes close, but I need it under a cover to keep the traditional look and according to Duncan removing the large poles will eliminate a lot of the big tone.
Fusion1
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Tatttooed I can almost guarantee with the hex poles you arent going to lose that much tone. I will actually try it out in a Les Paul that I have an Invader in now (in the bridge) and compare before and after. I will record both clips and I am betting the tone will be there probably more defined actually we will see. I won't be able to get all that done till later this week though. Stay tuned...
Tatttooed I can almost guarantee with the hex poles you arent going to lose that much tone. I will actually try it out in a Les Paul that I have an Invader in now (in the bridge) and compare before and after. I will record both clips and I am betting the tone will be there probably more defined actually we will see. I won't be able to get all that done till later this week though. Stay tuned...
TattooedCarrot
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Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
Very cool, I look forward to your report on this :fing2:
Fusion1 said:
Very cool, I look forward to your report on this :fing2:
Re: Invader with regular pole pieces?
No one has commented on (or maybe realized) the extensive R&D of the Invader and how it ended up with the poles, winding, magnets etc. it uses now.
You have to consider how much experimentation has already taken place with all pickups for that matter. Seymour is a madman when it comes to experimenting and the Invader ONLY sounds like it does because of all of the currently used components.
It has been under a cover, with different poles, windings, bobbin material, magnets, magnetic gauss, coil wire, hieght, etc. etc.
This is Seymour Duncan you are talking about. :laugh2:
You can change anything about the invader and it won't be the same..the poles however play the biggest role in that pickup, IMO. Look how huge and ferrous they are..that should be an indicator.
No one has commented on (or maybe realized) the extensive R&D of the Invader and how it ended up with the poles, winding, magnets etc. it uses now.
You have to consider how much experimentation has already taken place with all pickups for that matter. Seymour is a madman when it comes to experimenting and the Invader ONLY sounds like it does because of all of the currently used components.
It has been under a cover, with different poles, windings, bobbin material, magnets, magnetic gauss, coil wire, hieght, etc. etc.
This is Seymour Duncan you are talking about. :laugh2:
You can change anything about the invader and it won't be the same..the poles however play the biggest role in that pickup, IMO. Look how huge and ferrous they are..that should be an indicator.
