is a full stack really necessary?
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korovamilkdud
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
I could see putting them side by side. I could see stacking two straight cabs. But the typical slant/straight stack is actually pretty pointless. This is because the slant points it's speakers up toward your head...which is dumb if the cab is literally OVER YOUR HEAD on a stack. The only way that stack would make sense would be if you put the slant cab on bottom.
That would be impossible.
I could see putting them side by side. I could see stacking two straight cabs. But the typical slant/straight stack is actually pretty pointless. This is because the slant points it's speakers up toward your head...which is dumb if the cab is literally OVER YOUR HEAD on a stack. The only way that stack would make sense would be if you put the slant cab on bottom.
That would be impossible.
Pandemonium
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
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BluesNRock87
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
id rather one 2 1X12 cabs in stereo, if u need more sound, bump them up to 2X12's
seriously though, i run a 30 watt 1X12 (all tube mind you) combo and not once have i needed to even mic my amp. i figure if start playing bigger gigs (ballroom size) i can pick up a 2X12 or mic.
id rather one 2 1X12 cabs in stereo, if u need more sound, bump them up to 2X12's
seriously though, i run a 30 watt 1X12 (all tube mind you) combo and not once have i needed to even mic my amp. i figure if start playing bigger gigs (ballroom size) i can pick up a 2X12 or mic.
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
Mesa makes a slant 4x12 with a full shelf (see the bottom cab on the full stack in the pic), that way you can put a slant cab on the bottom and a strait cab on top.
I like these cabs because they have the advantages of a slant cabs projection, but still look like a strait cab (I hate the look of slant cabs).
I think Bogner does this as well.
korovamilkdud said:I could see putting them side by side. I could see stacking two straight cabs. But the typical slant/straight stack is actually pretty pointless. This is because the slant points it's speakers up toward your head...which is dumb if the cab is literally OVER YOUR HEAD on a stack. The only way that stack would make sense would be if you put the slant cab on bottom.
That would be impossible.
Mesa makes a slant 4x12 with a full shelf (see the bottom cab on the full stack in the pic), that way you can put a slant cab on the bottom and a strait cab on top.
I like these cabs because they have the advantages of a slant cabs projection, but still look like a strait cab (I hate the look of slant cabs).
I think Bogner does this as well.
MDS
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
I actually have done a lot of metal stuff, but we always used our own PA and did our own sound, so I just mic'd the combo and went to town. I can certainly see how a run of the mill rock club might call for bit more dispersion of sound, but I've never really left my sound in the hands of people I didn't trust to do a good job. Others are certainly welcome to use whatever setup the deem necessary, but I was just passing on my personal experience with stage amplification.
Mike
TwilightOdyssey said:
I actually have done a lot of metal stuff, but we always used our own PA and did our own sound, so I just mic'd the combo and went to town. I can certainly see how a run of the mill rock club might call for bit more dispersion of sound, but I've never really left my sound in the hands of people I didn't trust to do a good job. Others are certainly welcome to use whatever setup the deem necessary, but I was just passing on my personal experience with stage amplification.
Mike
strat_master
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
ONE 4 x 12 is mroe than enough! They are right a stack is only for those who are truly rock stars and play stadiums, otehrwise your gonna blow your head off with those BUT whatever floats your bloat. Id imagine it looks alot cooler than a half stack. But alot fo pros only use half stacks anywho.
ONE 4 x 12 is mroe than enough! They are right a stack is only for those who are truly rock stars and play stadiums, otehrwise your gonna blow your head off with those BUT whatever floats your bloat. Id imagine it looks alot cooler than a half stack. But alot fo pros only use half stacks anywho.
McLaughysSN
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
especially attic latters... *shutters* i use a 2x12 and its plenty. plus most sound guys like your actual amp at moderate volume so that you can be mic'd in the PA with no problems anyway
3 cent hero said:unless you gotta haul 'em up and down stairs
especially attic latters... *shutters* i use a 2x12 and its plenty. plus most sound guys like your actual amp at moderate volume so that you can be mic'd in the PA with no problems anyway
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
I used to use a full stack but found the sound of a a 4x12 at ear level to be.... well not that pleasent, especially if you play dry. I therefore used to sometimes not pug the top 4x12 in so it still looked the part. However, a 100W Marshall cranked in to 2 4x12s sat side by side - even dry - sounds awesome! None more big! Have long since got rid of the second cab though to help pay for another guitar.
In short - no, not necessary. 2 cabs side by side though is cool.
I used to use a full stack but found the sound of a a 4x12 at ear level to be.... well not that pleasent, especially if you play dry. I therefore used to sometimes not pug the top 4x12 in so it still looked the part. However, a 100W Marshall cranked in to 2 4x12s sat side by side - even dry - sounds awesome! None more big! Have long since got rid of the second cab though to help pay for another guitar.
In short - no, not necessary. 2 cabs side by side though is cool.
Nightburst
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
I take a full stack over a puny 2x12 any day! It's just good to have a lot of options!
I have a closed back 2x12 combo and it really only pushes the sound forward. One step to the side and the sound is muffled, another step to the sound and I almost can't hear myself.
I take a full stack over a puny 2x12 any day! It's just good to have a lot of options!
I have a closed back 2x12 combo and it really only pushes the sound forward. One step to the side and the sound is muffled, another step to the sound and I almost can't hear myself.
STRATDELUXER97
Stratoblaster Tone Meister
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
let's just say that it's total overkill in small clubs... :smack:
John
xerxes said:
let's just say that it's total overkill in small clubs... :smack:
John
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
How do you define 'small'? A "club" that doesn't even have a PA isn't even what I would call a club! I've YET to play a club where at least one 4x12 wasn't needed.
STRATDELUXER97 said:
How do you define 'small'? A "club" that doesn't even have a PA isn't even what I would call a club! I've YET to play a club where at least one 4x12 wasn't needed.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
I went through the whole wall of Marshall thing back when my friends had no problem roadying for free. Now, I go for quality over quantity, so I got a rig that just sounds like a wall of Marshalls comin outta one halfstack. To make it appropriate for every venue size, I've got the option of bringing the Bogner 4-12 or 2-12. The only problem is that once you've heard the 4-12, you'll never use the 2-12! Also, the goal is to play venues that make a 4-12 look small, not the corner bar.
I went through the whole wall of Marshall thing back when my friends had no problem roadying for free. Now, I go for quality over quantity, so I got a rig that just sounds like a wall of Marshalls comin outta one halfstack. To make it appropriate for every venue size, I've got the option of bringing the Bogner 4-12 or 2-12. The only problem is that once you've heard the 4-12, you'll never use the 2-12! Also, the goal is to play venues that make a 4-12 look small, not the corner bar.
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
AMEN, brotha! A 2x12 at L'Amour would get lost in the sauce!
My theory is ... 'more is more!!!'
Gearjoneser said:
AMEN, brotha! A 2x12 at L'Amour would get lost in the sauce!
My theory is ... 'more is more!!!'
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
And as far as fullstacks, they look prettier stacked, but I think they sound better side by side. Just ask my nuts! LOL
And as far as fullstacks, they look prettier stacked, but I think they sound better side by side. Just ask my nuts! LOL
Jeff Seal
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
I don't think I will ever understand this.....everyone has valid enough points and mine are so far to any extreme for reasons both real and just plain vain that I'll give it it a go....
In 1989, I busted my tail to come up with the $2,400 for my Marshall 2210 stack...still have it and use it every gig...(I really wanted a Mesa, but they just don't sound like Marshall's...no regrets to this day!)
The only time I use one 412 is for practice or recording...I actually have 2 full stacks plus an additional 412 angled that I have acquired over the years. The four 800 series 412's have actually been rewired for 64 ohm's each! (switchable to 16)
Why..you ask?... most amps run a fuller signal via the 16 ohm OT tap and I can assure you 100 watts into 16 G12T75's is worth checking out....(although realistically impossible for most.....trust me, it is badass compared to even two 412's running at 16 ohms each for a total of 8)
When do I get to use this..realistically, maybe about 14 times a year for the big outdoor festivals or if the club's stage is large enough...rarely happens!! but when it does my stage volume is LESS, not more...
So usually, it's just a full stack with only one top cab running at 16 ohms.... mostly because I'm 6' 5" and Marshall 412's are very directional...
And finally...I use a full stack because I paid for that bottom 412, and full stack's are just badass!!! plus which.......you have got to be kidding me, I'm 37 and gig almost every night and work on amps all day long...Rectoverb combo's weigh a ton compared to my 412's......
Just my .02, without going into a lengthy discussion
Jeff Seal
I don't think I will ever understand this.....everyone has valid enough points and mine are so far to any extreme for reasons both real and just plain vain that I'll give it it a go....
In 1989, I busted my tail to come up with the $2,400 for my Marshall 2210 stack...still have it and use it every gig...(I really wanted a Mesa, but they just don't sound like Marshall's...no regrets to this day!)
The only time I use one 412 is for practice or recording...I actually have 2 full stacks plus an additional 412 angled that I have acquired over the years. The four 800 series 412's have actually been rewired for 64 ohm's each! (switchable to 16)
Why..you ask?... most amps run a fuller signal via the 16 ohm OT tap and I can assure you 100 watts into 16 G12T75's is worth checking out....(although realistically impossible for most.....trust me, it is badass compared to even two 412's running at 16 ohms each for a total of 8)
When do I get to use this..realistically, maybe about 14 times a year for the big outdoor festivals or if the club's stage is large enough...rarely happens!! but when it does my stage volume is LESS, not more...
So usually, it's just a full stack with only one top cab running at 16 ohms.... mostly because I'm 6' 5" and Marshall 412's are very directional...
And finally...I use a full stack because I paid for that bottom 412, and full stack's are just badass!!! plus which.......you have got to be kidding me, I'm 37 and gig almost every night and work on amps all day long...Rectoverb combo's weigh a ton compared to my 412's......
Just my .02, without going into a lengthy discussion
Jeff Seal
Re: is a full stack really necessary?
Wow, I have played on some pretty small stages as well as outdoor festivals and bigger clubs (house of blues, etc)...I still used my 1x12 mesa blue angel and it sounded great. With the open back design you could hear it anywhere on stage as well- I think the loudest it got was on 5..and this was with a 6 piece band (I was the only guitarist). With a good PA the crowd heard what I heard. I could also lift my amp with one hand and my guitar with the other.
TwilightOdyssey said:
Wow, I have played on some pretty small stages as well as outdoor festivals and bigger clubs (house of blues, etc)...I still used my 1x12 mesa blue angel and it sounded great. With the open back design you could hear it anywhere on stage as well- I think the loudest it got was on 5..and this was with a 6 piece band (I was the only guitarist). With a good PA the crowd heard what I heard. I could also lift my amp with one hand and my guitar with the other.
Multi
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Re: is a full stack really necessary?
hahahaha. I wanted one of those, to play around with when i visited home.
Budweiser said:I ordered a Marshall stack that should be in any day now! I think I'll be able to crank it without worrying about hearing loss. Here's a pic. (talk about directional amps though, try a 1X12 combo)
hahahaha. I wanted one of those, to play around with when i visited home.
