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Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Also, i heard excellent alternative results with the Audix I5.
Also, i heard excellent alternative results with the Audix I5.
CapoFirstFret
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Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
I'm gonna put in a vote for springing the extra cash and getting the Sennheiser E906 instead of the E609. The E609 just allows too much outside bleed and isn't nearly as dynamic and open sounding as the E906. They're both good mics, but the E906 definitely makes itself worth it where it counts
I'm gonna put in a vote for springing the extra cash and getting the Sennheiser E906 instead of the E609. The E609 just allows too much outside bleed and isn't nearly as dynamic and open sounding as the E906. They're both good mics, but the E906 definitely makes itself worth it where it counts
PFDarkside
of the Forum
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Is the 57 the cylindrical one and the 58 the ball shaped one?
Wahwah is definitely my favorite forumite currently. Every post is spot-on and very informative. :bigok:
Is the 57 the cylindrical one and the 58 the ball shaped one?
Wahwah is definitely my favorite forumite currently. Every post is spot-on and very informative. :bigok:
DesertRat
New member
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Yes, the 57 is the cylindrical one and the 58 has the ball shaped windscreen.
I've been told by several people that both mics use the same element (we're talking the old versions, not the Beta versions which I don't know about) but obviously have radically different windscreen designs. It's the phase cancelling in the windscreens that gives the different frequency responses of the two mics.
Yes, the 57 is the cylindrical one and the 58 has the ball shaped windscreen.
I've been told by several people that both mics use the same element (we're talking the old versions, not the Beta versions which I don't know about) but obviously have radically different windscreen designs. It's the phase cancelling in the windscreens that gives the different frequency responses of the two mics.
Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
The E609 has one great advantage for live and studio use, in that it's very easy to get a sound happening if you're in a rush. just dangle it over and you're away. Whereas you can lose a lot of time angling a 57. Both are great to have around.
The E609 has one great advantage for live and studio use, in that it's very easy to get a sound happening if you're in a rush. just dangle it over and you're away. Whereas you can lose a lot of time angling a 57. Both are great to have around.
Boogie Bill
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Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Wahwah has given some great advice, but I will disagree with his assessment of the Shure SM-57 for use an acoustic guitar mic.
I will agree that a good condensor is desireable for use on acoustic guitar, but I'm not sure that taking a studio quality condensor into a smoky bar is the wisest choice. The particulates in the smoke will seriously degrade the response of the condensor mic in short order; and the SM-57 will also have the edge in mechanical durability--and microphones do get dropped, smacked around and damaged on stage.
The SM-57 will have a less open and airy sound than a good condensor--but it will provide a fat, punchy tone on acoustic guitar--especially a steel string dreadnaught played with a flatpick. And you'd probably be surprised to learn how many great acoustic parts were recorded in studios with the SM-57. In live sound, a savvy guitarist will know how to use the SM-57's proximity effect to his best advantage.
The Shure SM-57 and SM-58s are standards in the industry. Every vocalist should have a 58 and be familiar with its characteristics, even if they prefer using a different mic; because there will be times when they will be asked to use a 58. Likewise, every guitarist should carry a 57 for those times when he needs a mic on his amp, or for his acoustic.
Bill
Wahwah has given some great advice, but I will disagree with his assessment of the Shure SM-57 for use an acoustic guitar mic.
I will agree that a good condensor is desireable for use on acoustic guitar, but I'm not sure that taking a studio quality condensor into a smoky bar is the wisest choice. The particulates in the smoke will seriously degrade the response of the condensor mic in short order; and the SM-57 will also have the edge in mechanical durability--and microphones do get dropped, smacked around and damaged on stage.
The SM-57 will have a less open and airy sound than a good condensor--but it will provide a fat, punchy tone on acoustic guitar--especially a steel string dreadnaught played with a flatpick. And you'd probably be surprised to learn how many great acoustic parts were recorded in studios with the SM-57. In live sound, a savvy guitarist will know how to use the SM-57's proximity effect to his best advantage.
The Shure SM-57 and SM-58s are standards in the industry. Every vocalist should have a 58 and be familiar with its characteristics, even if they prefer using a different mic; because there will be times when they will be asked to use a 58. Likewise, every guitarist should carry a 57 for those times when he needs a mic on his amp, or for his acoustic.
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Curly
Moe's Bluesman
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
As long as we're correcting others' grammar, one shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition. The correct phrase would read, " ... the direction an object or person faces, points toward, or is inspired to go." Not "go in".
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As long as we're correcting others' grammar, one shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition. The correct phrase would read, " ... the direction an object or person faces, points toward, or is inspired to go." Not "go in".
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wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Yeah, I certainly wouldn't be taking a condenser mic into a live environment, I was responding to thesego211's inquiry about using the 57 for recording the acoustic guitar, not live work. The main problem with using a condenser live is the lack of feedback rejection, because the higher sensitivity of most condensers make them problematic unless you have a very good foldback engineer and minimal onstage volume. Fine for a soloist or duo, but very difficult to implement with a full band. You can certainly record an acoustic guitar with a 57, it will give you a signal, but everyone should try A/Bing a 57 and a good condenser for themselves and see which one they prefer.
Cheers..........................wahwah
Yeah, I certainly wouldn't be taking a condenser mic into a live environment, I was responding to thesego211's inquiry about using the 57 for recording the acoustic guitar, not live work. The main problem with using a condenser live is the lack of feedback rejection, because the higher sensitivity of most condensers make them problematic unless you have a very good foldback engineer and minimal onstage volume. Fine for a soloist or duo, but very difficult to implement with a full band. You can certainly record an acoustic guitar with a 57, it will give you a signal, but everyone should try A/Bing a 57 and a good condenser for themselves and see which one they prefer.
Cheers..........................wahwah
75lespaul
New member
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Here's a layman's--or stupid man's--view of these mics. While I usually use my Sennheiser MD421 now to mic my guitars as I love the bass cut knob, I used to use both the 57 and 58 to record guitars. I just went with the one that gave the sound I wanted. Live it was usually a 57 being that I played out mostly in the 80s and that's what every soundman had around here.
Here's a layman's--or stupid man's--view of these mics. While I usually use my Sennheiser MD421 now to mic my guitars as I love the bass cut knob, I used to use both the 57 and 58 to record guitars. I just went with the one that gave the sound I wanted. Live it was usually a 57 being that I played out mostly in the 80s and that's what every soundman had around here.
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these_go211
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Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
i'd love to get a good condensor mic at some point for acoustic. but being that my room is not acoustically treated in any way, hence, not a good sounding room, i think the 57/58 works well now as it hardly picks up any of the room sound.
i'd love to get a good condensor mic at some point for acoustic. but being that my room is not acoustically treated in any way, hence, not a good sounding room, i think the 57/58 works well now as it hardly picks up any of the room sound.
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Not to jump into the conversation just to be contrary here, but the SM57 and the SM58 are exactly the same mic. They use the same capsule and just have slightly different windscreens (which is why the published frequency responses are slightly different). If you pull the ball windscreen off of an SM58 and A/B it with an SM57 I bet you wouldn't be able to hear the difference. Check the following links (from Shure's online customer support) if you don't believe me:
Same sensitivity:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=256&p_created=963335759&p_sid=VaOpGRFi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNtIDU3IDU4IGNhcHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1
Same capsule:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=142&p_created=953107200&p_sid=VaOpGRFi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNtIDU3IDU4IGNhcHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1
Almost the same proximity effect:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1819&p_created=1001255866&p_sid=VaOpGRFi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNtIDU3IDU4IGNhcHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1
Not to jump into the conversation just to be contrary here, but the SM57 and the SM58 are exactly the same mic. They use the same capsule and just have slightly different windscreens (which is why the published frequency responses are slightly different). If you pull the ball windscreen off of an SM58 and A/B it with an SM57 I bet you wouldn't be able to hear the difference. Check the following links (from Shure's online customer support) if you don't believe me:
Same sensitivity:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=256&p_created=963335759&p_sid=VaOpGRFi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNtIDU3IDU4IGNhcHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1
Same capsule:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=142&p_created=953107200&p_sid=VaOpGRFi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNtIDU3IDU4IGNhcHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1
Almost the same proximity effect:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1819&p_created=1001255866&p_sid=VaOpGRFi&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTAzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNtIDU3IDU4IGNhcHM*&p_li=&p_topview=1
wahwah
GumbyLoveologist
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
Having the same capsule doesn't make them "exactly the same mic." Having different frequency response curves due to their windscreen and grill designs makes them quite distinct in their effect and application. (Check post 14) To say they are exactly the same is like saying that open back and closed back cabinets are exactly the same because they have the same speakers in them.
Cheers............................wahwah
Having the same capsule doesn't make them "exactly the same mic." Having different frequency response curves due to their windscreen and grill designs makes them quite distinct in their effect and application. (Check post 14) To say they are exactly the same is like saying that open back and closed back cabinets are exactly the same because they have the same speakers in them.
Cheers............................wahwah
James Rock
Active member
Re: is it worth getting an sm57 if i already have a 58?
I've never played a gig with any other mics (57's for guitar 58's for vocals) I found these very good but haven't tried anything else as I don't have the money to buy any mics and the standard is 57's and 58's so thats all I see.
I've never played a gig with any other mics (57's for guitar 58's for vocals) I found these very good but haven't tried anything else as I don't have the money to buy any mics and the standard is 57's and 58's so thats all I see.
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