Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

[St_Genesius]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Just a bump for this Q, since I'm hovering with my finger over the CHECKOUT button. Artie used "Alco-style" to refer to the switch earlier, but my google searches didn't turn up a workable definition of that term.

Artie, one more question (sorry) since I'm buying some of the parts I'll need and something I read in a (admittedly, poorl;y written) book on guitar electronics last night has got me confused. For the mini-toggle in the last diagram you did, I was thinking that I would need a DPDT On/On/On switch. Am I wrong?

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

I guess I'm a little dense. I get the basic concept of using a cap and resistor(s) to allow some lows and highs to come through so you don't get the typical hollow/nasal OOP tone. Apparently I just can't visualize how to wire it up without a regular wiring diagram.

 

[Artie]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Just a bump for this Q, since I'm hovering with my finger over the CHECKOUT button. Artie used "Alco-style" to refer to the switch earlier, but my google searches didn't turn up a workable definition of that term.

I use the term "Alco-style" just to refer to a type of switch that is usually made by Alco, which is a sub-division of TycoElectronics. It looks like this:

Alco-style switch

(Changed pic to link to save loading time.)

These switches are easy to find in a mini-handle configuration. The "trick" is to find them in the full-size handle configuration. The mini's can be found at Guitar Electronics and others.

Also, these switches are easy to find . . . if you want to buy 1000. It's finding a distributor who will sell you 1 or 2 thats the problem. I'm working on it.

Artie

P.S. These are the style of 3-way that was standard in the old Peavey Patriots and Predators, plus many others. I've already tried Peavey parts. The new replacement item is completely different. :yell:

 

[Artie]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

I guess I'm a little dense. I get the basic concept of using a cap and resistor(s) to allow some lows and highs to come through so you don't get the typical hollow/nasal OOP tone. Apparently I just can't visualize how to wire it up without a regular wiring diagram.

I'll try to post a few examples done in the SD diagram style. You just need to give me a day or two . . . or three.

I'm just getting a bit behind in this stuff due to stuff going on at work and home. I'll catch up . . . eventually.

 

[BlueGuitar]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Jerry is one bada** country player. Go pick up the Hellecasters' album "Return of the Hellecasters". It's him, Will Ray and John Jorgensen. Freakin' amazing playing, all instrumental.

FWIW "Return of the Hellecasters" was their debut album... those guys have a great sense of humor. :smack: I see that the disc is BACK IN PRINT. It had been selling used for $40-50.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

 

[BlueGuitar]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Just a bump for this Q, since I'm hovering with my finger over the CHECKOUT button. Artie used "Alco-style" to refer to the switch earlier, but my google searches didn't turn up a workable definition of that term.

If you can use the mini-toggle style switch, All Parts EP_0080-010 is one reference. ("Alco" is one of the companies that makes switches.) Any of the web sites that sell parts for guitars and amps should have a mini-toggle on/on/on switch.

Hopefully Artie will find a source for the switches that have a full-sized handle. (I had ordered a full sized 4PDT on/on/on switch for a commercial Reznor furnace about 12 years ago; my boss had never heard of on/on/on switches so he thought that I was crazy... :saeek: )

 

[ErikH]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

FWIW "Return of the Hellecasters" was their debut album... those guys have a great sense of humor. :smack: I see that the disc is BACK IN PRINT. It had been selling used for $40-50.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

Yeah, I thought it was funny that a debut album had "Return of" in the title. Too bad they didn't release many more. I have the first 2 buit haven't see any more since. That disc should never ever be out of print, no matter what. That's some of the best chicken-pickin' that I've ever heard.

 

[Artie]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

There's an interesting discussion of this over at TDPRI where the consesus is that a Superswitch won't fit in a Tele control cavity without some routing. This might be important to anyone wishing to use one.

Artie

 

[St_Genesius]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Thanks for the tip. As long as the normal control cover will still cover the hole, I think I'll be good. I already had to rout a tiny bit to get the cover to fitbackwards (vol-tone-switch) because the volume pot was keeping the holes from lining up just right.

There's an interesting discussion of this over at TDPRI where the consesus is that a Superswitch won't fit in a Tele control cavity without some routing. This might be important to anyone wishing to use one.

Artie

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Fresh Start had to route his Tele for the Stock Strat super switch, under the lip as I recall. Unless one feels like routing, it's probably better to just buy the correct switch.

 

[St_Genesius]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Got my Suerswitch today. It fits in the existing cavity, but only just. I may need to route a little to allow for all the wiring that will be crammed in there.

 

[MoRLoP]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Hi all!,
Anybody got the configuration posted by ArtieToo working?
which switch did you use?
Where did you buy the switch?

Thank you very much in advance,

MoRLoP

 

[64lusso]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Hi Folks,
I have a tele I am fixing up and found this forum pursuing the JD wiring scheme. I only get a red X in a box instead of the wiring diagrams posted by Artie above, am I doing something wrong or can somebody e-mail me the diagram? I am also interested in the answer to MoRLoP's question about the switch above.
Also I believe Jerry mounts his neck pup slightly closer to the bridge than stock to avoid the harmonics in the area that would be the 24'th fret, anybody know the exact location of that?
Thanks, Jay

 

[Firetele]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Hi All,
I joined the group looking for the Peavey JD guitar schematics. Not a big peavey guitar guy but loved the sound of this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjaHboa_qWU
So I emailed Peavey and ask where I could buy the schematics for it, they sent it right to me!!!FREE!!! So here you go guys.....
http://www.mypixshare.com/firetele/a16664/00000001

 

[ex-250]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

this thread makes my brain hurt.

 

[Artie]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Hi Folks,
I have a tele I am fixing up and found this forum pursuing the JD wiring scheme. I only get a red X in a box instead of the wiring diagrams posted by Artie above, am I doing something wrong or can somebody e-mail me the diagram? I am also interested in the answer to MoRLoP's question about the switch above.

Those are links to an old server. I'll update those when I get home tonight.

Edit: Man . . . that is one screwed up diagram from Peavey. I don't think they wanted anyone to actually wire it up.

I'll post the translation tonight.

 

[St_Genesius]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

I'm ashamed to say it, but I never got around to finishing this project as described. Artie, if you've still got that diagram around, I'd love to have it again so I could finally put this together the way I wanted.

I remember sitting down to do it a couple of years ago and getting confused -- possibly by the fact that I was wiring in a vintage rails, a duckbucker and a Classic Tele Stack rather than real single coils. I ended up doing a much simple wiring scheme, just to hear the pickups, but I'd really like to finally make this beast work the way I wanted.

 

[Firetele]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

I was told the fender schematic should be the same or **** neer close to the peavey one it that helps anyone...

 

[Artie]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Its similar, but enough different that I wouldn't call it close. But decide for yourself. Here's the differences:

Fender JD: Position 1: The neck (Strat®) pickup with the tone circuit OUT, affording a clearer, brighter tone to compensate for the inherent dullness normally found in this position.

Peavey JD: Position 1: Normal (Strat) pickup. Normal tone control. (Note: The Peavey JD wiring uses a normal tone control in all positions.)

Fender JD: Position 2: The neck (Strat®) pickup with the tone circuit IN, allowing the guitarist to soften the tone for rhythm or mellow leads, as per a stock Tele rhythm pickup.

Peavey JD: Same as #1 but with an additional .0022uf cap straight to ground. This is like a 2nd subtle tone control set on "zero". This will roll off just the very high-end.

Fender JD: Position 3: The neck and bridge pickups are in the standard stock parallel wiring with the tone circuit IN, enhancing the customary Tele® sound.

Peavey JD: Position 3: Neck and bridge in normal parallel. Normal tone control. Replace the .0022uf cap above with a .0033uf. A tad more high-end rolled off, (than position #2), but not much more.

Fender JD: Position 4: By combining both pickups with a capacitor and resistor in a controlled degree of reversed phase, the guitar offers a bell-like, rich tone that echoes the classic Strat® sound. Until now, this sound could only be obtained by the use of the bridge and middle pickups on a typical Strat.

Peavey JD: Position 4: This is the one position that seems to be the same, as well it should be. This is "the" JD sound. The neck is added to the bridge, out-of-phase, with a series resistor to limit the amount of signal, and a cap to limit the range of signal thats cancelled.

Fender JD: Position 5: Straight bridge. No tone control.

Peavey JD: Position 5: Straight bridge. Normal tone control.

Hope that helps.

 

[Artie]

Re: Is the Jerry Donahue wiring scheme truly a mystery to the public?

Btw - The thing I was saying is screwy about the Peavey diagram, besides using non-standard symbology for the caps, is, look closely at the numbering of the superswitch.
On the right-hand side, the terminals go 4-3-2-1-5-Com. Took me awhile to figure out what the heck they were doing. :kabong: