astrozombie
KatyPerryologist
I'm looking into them but I don't like that they aren't wax potted.. I have a potting problem in my jaguar and it's a pain. It's noisy, it squeals at high volume.. 
Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
I agree...
They can be potted but IMO it ruins a bit of the tone and like Ayrton I have zero squeal issues with mine even with cranked, boosted and fuzzed out amps...
I agree...
They can be potted but IMO it ruins a bit of the tone and like Ayrton I have zero squeal issues with mine even with cranked, boosted and fuzzed out amps...
JimmyO
New member
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Sorry to piggy back on this thread a bit, but I was considering a set of Set Lovers or Antiquities for a Les Paul but had kinda ruled them out as they weren't potted (brings back bad memories of cheap Asian pickups squealing on my first guitar). I'm sure the construction on these is top notch and probably helps with preventing them from squealing. They sound like just the tone I'm looking for for classic rock and blues. I have a 45 watt JTM 45 clone and use an overdrive pedal for leads. Our band plays pretty loud and I use ear plugs in rehearsal. Do you think I'd have any squealing problems with the Seth's or Antiquities? Hopefully this question helps the original poster also.
Sorry to piggy back on this thread a bit, but I was considering a set of Set Lovers or Antiquities for a Les Paul but had kinda ruled them out as they weren't potted (brings back bad memories of cheap Asian pickups squealing on my first guitar). I'm sure the construction on these is top notch and probably helps with preventing them from squealing. They sound like just the tone I'm looking for for classic rock and blues. I have a 45 watt JTM 45 clone and use an overdrive pedal for leads. Our band plays pretty loud and I use ear plugs in rehearsal. Do you think I'd have any squealing problems with the Seth's or Antiquities? Hopefully this question helps the original poster also.
astrozombie
KatyPerryologist
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
what?? really?
Why do you think my pickups squeal then?
what?? really?
Why do you think my pickups squeal then?
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Funkfingers
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Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Glenn. The stock pickups in yo' Fender Blacktop HH Jaguar squeal because they are, ahem, "brown and sticky".
Antiquity and Seth Lover model pickups can be provoked into squealing BUT this can be controlled and, possibly, even be thought of as musical. By choosing where you stand with respect to your amplifier, it becomes possible to exploit the feedback. Some guitarists will go so far as to mark sweet spot on stage with Gaffa tape.
The "sustain forever" lead guitar on the David Bowie recording, "Heroes", was Robert Fripp, positioning his LP Custom in very specific positions in front of a stack.
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I agree with Ayrton and TG. If you think that you need double wax-potted Ants or Seths, you almost certainly do not this type of pickup.
If the host guitar is to be your Gibson ES-333, I suggest either the stock 490R or an SH-1n. In either instance, an A4 magnet and a Nickel plated cover will complete the picture.
Glenn. The stock pickups in yo' Fender Blacktop HH Jaguar squeal because they are, ahem, "brown and sticky".
Antiquity and Seth Lover model pickups can be provoked into squealing BUT this can be controlled and, possibly, even be thought of as musical. By choosing where you stand with respect to your amplifier, it becomes possible to exploit the feedback. Some guitarists will go so far as to mark sweet spot on stage with Gaffa tape.
The "sustain forever" lead guitar on the David Bowie recording, "Heroes", was Robert Fripp, positioning his LP Custom in very specific positions in front of a stack.
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I agree with Ayrton and TG. If you think that you need double wax-potted Ants or Seths, you almost certainly do not this type of pickup.
If the host guitar is to be your Gibson ES-333, I suggest either the stock 490R or an SH-1n. In either instance, an A4 magnet and a Nickel plated cover will complete the picture.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Glenn. What is the subtext to this thread question?
Clearly, you seek to change from the stock Gibson 490r/498t sound set. What did you have in mind instead?
Considering your one-time interest in Gretsch guitars, perhaps, the time has come to research TV Jones pickups?
Glenn. What is the subtext to this thread question?
Clearly, you seek to change from the stock Gibson 490r/498t sound set. What did you have in mind instead?
Considering your one-time interest in Gretsch guitars, perhaps, the time has come to research TV Jones pickups?
astrozombie
KatyPerryologist
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
I'm trying to get my Gibson to be the closest to what an original 335,345,355 might sound like.
binding and inlays... cosmetics aside, I want it to more or less sound like this:
Obviously I can't afford a 59 355, so I'm trying to get my guitar (which is an amazing piece of wood) to have a certain type of sound.
interestingly, vibramate put out an adapter for 335s.
In regards to the wax potting: my fender squeals a lot. A certain amount of gain or volume and it's all noise. i can't even turn up loud enough to write with my drummer with any kind of overdriven tone. I use a crate half stack for that purpose though... maybe the amp isn't helping?
If the pickups won't outright SQUEAL the way a dog whimpers, I have no problems. I love feedback but NOISE, SQUEALING, anything that will make turning up loud a pain isn't going to work for me. Various reviews on the internet state that although the antiquities aren't wax potted they aren't particularly noisy.
also I know this isn't a very good reason but what first gripped me about the pickups was the appearance.. the tone came after. they ring clear as a bell.
I'm trying to get my Gibson to be the closest to what an original 335,345,355 might sound like.
binding and inlays... cosmetics aside, I want it to more or less sound like this:
Obviously I can't afford a 59 355, so I'm trying to get my guitar (which is an amazing piece of wood) to have a certain type of sound.
interestingly, vibramate put out an adapter for 335s.
In regards to the wax potting: my fender squeals a lot. A certain amount of gain or volume and it's all noise. i can't even turn up loud enough to write with my drummer with any kind of overdriven tone. I use a crate half stack for that purpose though... maybe the amp isn't helping?
If the pickups won't outright SQUEAL the way a dog whimpers, I have no problems. I love feedback but NOISE, SQUEALING, anything that will make turning up loud a pain isn't going to work for me. Various reviews on the internet state that although the antiquities aren't wax potted they aren't particularly noisy.
also I know this isn't a very good reason but what first gripped me about the pickups was the appearance.. the tone came after. they ring clear as a bell.
tubecrunch
New member
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Sounds like your pickups are microphonic. Different issue than potting.
Sounds like your pickups are microphonic. Different issue than potting.
Ayrton
New member
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Try packing some foam (like what comes in the Duncan box) around the pup, and see if that handles the noise.
Went looking for a pic, and found this...
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/12595
Try packing some foam (like what comes in the Duncan box) around the pup, and see if that handles the noise.
Went looking for a pic, and found this...
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/12595
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Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Different type of noise than the squealing you're expecting from them not being wax potted. For an ES-355 tone you might want to consider going the full on CS route, that way you can talk to MJ and get degaussed A5 mags which are going to put you more into the very late PAF early Pat# tone. They might even do that as a floor shop custom, wouldn't hurt to ask that first.
I agree with the other guys, wax potting does something to the pup's tone, whether or not it's to your liking is all personal.
Different type of noise than the squealing you're expecting from them not being wax potted. For an ES-355 tone you might want to consider going the full on CS route, that way you can talk to MJ and get degaussed A5 mags which are going to put you more into the very late PAF early Pat# tone. They might even do that as a floor shop custom, wouldn't hurt to ask that first.
I agree with the other guys, wax potting does something to the pup's tone, whether or not it's to your liking is all personal.
ItsaBass
New member
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
The need for potting is not necessarily the cause of all squeal issues. In fact, I would say that it rarely is cause by that alone IME. Usually, it's vibration of the pickup, sometimes coupled with the need for potting. Try longer springs, spring dampers, foam, felt, etc. Anything that keeps it from moving around.
That said, any guitar repair shop worth it's salt will be able to pot your pickups for not too much money, or you can pot them yourself with just a few inexpensive things. You need to fashion a double boiler (dollar store pots and pans), get some paraffin and beeswax (cheap), and a metal dial darkroom thermometer (cheap on Craig's List or E-Bay).
The need for potting is not necessarily the cause of all squeal issues. In fact, I would say that it rarely is cause by that alone IME. Usually, it's vibration of the pickup, sometimes coupled with the need for potting. Try longer springs, spring dampers, foam, felt, etc. Anything that keeps it from moving around.
That said, any guitar repair shop worth it's salt will be able to pot your pickups for not too much money, or you can pot them yourself with just a few inexpensive things. You need to fashion a double boiler (dollar store pots and pans), get some paraffin and beeswax (cheap), and a metal dial darkroom thermometer (cheap on Craig's List or E-Bay).
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astrozombie
KatyPerryologist
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
I'm interested in the chime that antiquities have, I'm just worried about the noise. are there any users of it here?
I'm interested in the chime that antiquities have, I'm just worried about the noise. are there any users of it here?
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Users of what, Antiquities? I use 'em in my R8.
Not sure I'd call ants chimey...
As for the "noise" I think yer really over thinking this...
Users of what, Antiquities? I use 'em in my R8.
Not sure I'd call ants chimey...
As for the "noise" I think yer really over thinking this...
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
Ant's aren't chimey, at least not in warm woods. Aged A2's have less treble (and less output) than fully-charged A2's, which don't have a lot of either. Ant's don't have enough high-end and bite for my tastes. But in brighter woods, they probably would.
What noise are you talking about? They're humbuckers.
Ant's aren't chimey, at least not in warm woods. Aged A2's have less treble (and less output) than fully-charged A2's, which don't have a lot of either. Ant's don't have enough high-end and bite for my tastes. But in brighter woods, they probably would.
What noise are you talking about? They're humbuckers.
astrozombie
KatyPerryologist
Re: Is there a potted antiquity humbucker?
I didn't explain... in comparison to pickups like Burstbuckers and the 49xs in my gibson, they offer more high end.
I didn't explain... in comparison to pickups like Burstbuckers and the 49xs in my gibson, they offer more high end.
