Is there anything more useless in guitar life...
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I use the 23rd fret here when playing the first solo using harmonic minor scale: https://soundcloud.com/daniel-baber/personal-hell-mashup
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I use the 23rd fret here when playing the first solo using harmonic minor scale: https://soundcloud.com/daniel-baber/personal-hell-mashup
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Obsessive Compulsive
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Oh I see what you mean.
But I've been practicing descending runs in C# minor and the 23rd fret has been used a lot lately. These days I can't stand for anything less than 24 frets. The Strats and the Charvels make me feel like I had one fretting finger cut off.
Oh I see what you mean.
But I've been practicing descending runs in C# minor and the 23rd fret has been used a lot lately. These days I can't stand for anything less than 24 frets. The Strats and the Charvels make me feel like I had one fretting finger cut off.
Obsessive Compulsive
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Naahh...you need to update your CD/ record collection. Which average listener, those born before 1943?
Naahh...you need to update your CD/ record collection. Which average listener, those born before 1943?
Gearjoneser
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I've developed a soloing technique called Grasshopper Style. I play all my solos ONLY on the 23rd fret and bend like friggin CRAZY to hit every note in the solo.
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I've developed a soloing technique called Grasshopper Style. I play all my solos ONLY on the 23rd fret and bend like friggin CRAZY to hit every note in the solo.
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Diego
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I don't know how you guys play that some of you find it a necessity. I'm surprised by that.
I could get by with 21 frets just right most of the time. But then I'm not avant-garde, progressive/technical or experimental when playing.
I can sweep pick decently but I only do it when I'm out of ideas, and if I'm out of ideas then I probably should STFU and stop. So I just don't do it in general. Same with tapping. I probably did that better 5 years ago.
If I can't find an idea with simple techniques, then I probably just don't have a good idea and it's back to writing.
And for some reason the 23rd fret is never part of my great ideas. In fact all of the stuff I've written that I'm proud of happens behind the 10th fret 95% of the time, probably.
Not saying that's the way to do it or something. Just thinking my insomnia out loud with you guys.
I don't know how you guys play that some of you find it a necessity. I'm surprised by that.
I could get by with 21 frets just right most of the time. But then I'm not avant-garde, progressive/technical or experimental when playing.
I can sweep pick decently but I only do it when I'm out of ideas, and if I'm out of ideas then I probably should STFU and stop. So I just don't do it in general. Same with tapping. I probably did that better 5 years ago.
If I can't find an idea with simple techniques, then I probably just don't have a good idea and it's back to writing.
And for some reason the 23rd fret is never part of my great ideas. In fact all of the stuff I've written that I'm proud of happens behind the 10th fret 95% of the time, probably.
Not saying that's the way to do it or something. Just thinking my insomnia out loud with you guys.
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Obsessive Compulsive
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I think many people find the 22-24 frets a danger zone only for the 'elite'.
What I can't understand is why the *** guitar companies still make 21-fret guitars instead of 22? The position of the neck pickup is the same in both, so why stick with 21?
I think many people find the 22-24 frets a danger zone only for the 'elite'.
What I can't understand is why the *** guitar companies still make 21-fret guitars instead of 22? The position of the neck pickup is the same in both, so why stick with 21?
GoldenVulture
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I actually use it a lot. I play in E/C#m a lot, and I do half bends on the 23rd fret often.
I tend to like 24-fret guitars just because they tend to have better upper fret access as opposed to standard 21 or 22 fret guitars. You might not use frets 23 or 24 too often, but the frets before them are a lot easier to get to.
I actually use it a lot. I play in E/C#m a lot, and I do half bends on the 23rd fret often.
I tend to like 24-fret guitars just because they tend to have better upper fret access as opposed to standard 21 or 22 fret guitars. You might not use frets 23 or 24 too often, but the frets before them are a lot easier to get to.
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GoldenVulture
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C# is very common really, especially for acoustic stuff.
C# is very common really, especially for acoustic stuff.
BriGuy1968
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Leo didn't PLAY!
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Johnny the Kid
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What is you have to go straight to that note, possibly in a tapping riff or similar? There are plenty of reasons to have a 24 fret and except for preference, very few reasons not to, although preference is an argument ender.
What is you have to go straight to that note, possibly in a tapping riff or similar? There are plenty of reasons to have a 24 fret and except for preference, very few reasons not to, although preference is an argument ender.
TimmyPage
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Bb is one of my favourite keys, followed by Eb and F (all of which have a Bb in the key signature. If you look at where my strings are worn the most, you can pretty much trace the Bb Major scale on around the 6th fret from it.
If anything, there have been times that I wish my guitar had just one more fret for that high Eb, but I don't often write music in keys that would require the high E on the 24th fret.
Bb is one of my favourite keys, followed by Eb and F (all of which have a Bb in the key signature. If you look at where my strings are worn the most, you can pretty much trace the Bb Major scale on around the 6th fret from it.
If anything, there have been times that I wish my guitar had just one more fret for that high Eb, but I don't often write music in keys that would require the high E on the 24th fret.
TimmyPage
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I also don't think that 24 fret guitars sound strictly worse, I really like the sound and feel of the neck pickup in my friends PRS Custom 24. It's just that the pickup falls under a different harmonic so it has a different feel from what we've been used to in the past century. It's 'worse' in the same way that non-wood guitars, digital processing, or pickups not based on the standard humbucker/single coil designs are 'worse'. Our ears aren't used to it after years and years of building up expectations that something will sound a certain way. We still use the same basic design principles, same basic pedal circuits, and similar amp designs to what we did 50 years ago, guitar players tend to be notoriously glacial in adapting new sounds. (Not that it's a bad thing of course, don't feel guilty for using what you think sounds good, don't think you have to innovate for innovations sake tonally.)
I also don't think that 24 fret guitars sound strictly worse, I really like the sound and feel of the neck pickup in my friends PRS Custom 24. It's just that the pickup falls under a different harmonic so it has a different feel from what we've been used to in the past century. It's 'worse' in the same way that non-wood guitars, digital processing, or pickups not based on the standard humbucker/single coil designs are 'worse'. Our ears aren't used to it after years and years of building up expectations that something will sound a certain way. We still use the same basic design principles, same basic pedal circuits, and similar amp designs to what we did 50 years ago, guitar players tend to be notoriously glacial in adapting new sounds. (Not that it's a bad thing of course, don't feel guilty for using what you think sounds good, don't think you have to innovate for innovations sake tonally.)
Blille
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Remind me to add (joking) in the future to my posts.
Remind me to add (joking) in the future to my posts.
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Yeah, but bad is bad..haha. Actually, no one could really accuse me of hanging on the past- but using the neck pickup for about 80% of my playing life, I am pretty locked in to the sound. Moving it just slightly changes it, and I can't get that vowel-y bloom that I can when it is in the 'right' place. I never kept a 24 fret guitar.
Yeah, but bad is bad..haha. Actually, no one could really accuse me of hanging on the past- but using the neck pickup for about 80% of my playing life, I am pretty locked in to the sound. Moving it just slightly changes it, and I can't get that vowel-y bloom that I can when it is in the 'right' place. I never kept a 24 fret guitar.
Blille
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Is there anything more useless in guitar life...
I ended up in the same place. My first guitar had 24 frets and so did my next one, it was a requirement for me. I rarely used the neck pickup. I then played a 21 fret Strat and was blown away by the neck sound. I don't think I'll have a 24 fret again.
I ended up in the same place. My first guitar had 24 frets and so did my next one, it was a requirement for me. I rarely used the neck pickup. I then played a 21 fret Strat and was blown away by the neck sound. I don't think I'll have a 24 fret again.
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