ISP Decimator!

TSE

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So I'm thinking about getting one of these, but I already have an NS-2 in perfect working condition. I just don't like how it cuts some of the notes when I sweep or play something very fast and sucks tone. I play a 6505+ and I pick softly. Would it be a waste of money or does the Decimator completely destroy the NS-2 at what it does?
 
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You'd be wasting your money. The NS-2 cuts out more noise and doesn't cut off the notes as badly as the ISP Decimator. The ISP Decimator is more transparent (doesn't change the tone of your rig) - which is the one main pro of the unit.
 
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I never liked noise gates to begin with. Why not just ride the volume knob or step on your tuner if you need silence... and if you have soooo much gain that it hums when you are doing a 'break down' riff, then just back off the gain. I know certain pedals are noisy, but you can loop them cheaper than you can buy a noise gate I think.
 
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Man, I was thinking about taking the Boss NS-2 out of my pedal chain, but then I really realized that sometimes it eliminates so much extra noise, I wouldn't want to risk it.

I use my Mi Crunchbox (with all dials set around noon) and my Morley Bad Horsie wah together and the noise suppressor really silences some of the harsher, static hum sounding parts of that wah's sweep. I don't even turn the NS-2's threshold dial beyond the minimum setting and it does all I need. I never mess with that decay knob, either.

Even though it's not a "fun" pedal (as apposed to a cool delay pedal, for example), and it requires some thinking (and extra cables) when chaining the NS-2's loop with my other pedals... I think I have to keep it for it's subtle magic.

When I saw the new ISP noise gate, I also wondered if it was better than the Boss one... hopefully not, though. (don't want to spend more money replacing the NS-2... rather use it for something fun, haha)
 
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been wondering also. Everybody I've asked says to just stick with my NS-2. I only use it when playing really loud, kinda required then with a butt-ton of amp distortion. I haven't been able to tell a difference when using its loop instead of just sticking everything in front of it. And it doesn't seem to work in any amp's loop very well that I've tried.

On the other hand, the EH Hum Debugger? I've heard staggeringly bad things about that one.
 
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I use an ISP Decimator in a very high gain set up and it doesn't cut off notes at all, I think it sounds and performs much better than the Boss unit, and I do like Boss pedals.

Cheers,

CJ
 
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+1

I use to use an NS-2.... There is no comparison... The ISP is a lot BETTER.


I use an ISP Decimator in a very high gain set up and it doesn't cut off notes at all, I think it sounds and performs much better than the Boss unit, and I do like Boss pedals.

Cheers,

CJ
 
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I never liked noise gates to begin with. Why not just ride the volume knob or step on your tuner if you need silence... and if you have soooo much gain that it hums when you are doing a 'break down' riff, then just back off the gain. I know certain pedals are noisy, but you can loop them cheaper than you can buy a noise gate I think.

+1. I bought a Decimator pedal last year to try out. I couldn't turn the knob past 9:30. It does what it's supposed to do, but I can't stand noise gates. They really mess with all my dynamics. All sustaining notes cut off when the volume gets low enough. Roll down your volume knob, pick softly, and it messes with your notes. I have 5 pedals on my board, and have no need for a gate. I've learned to lower the gain a bit, mute well with both hands, and turn the volume down, in between songs, and areas where I'm not playing.
 
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+1. I bought a Decimator pedal last year to try out. I couldn't turn the knob past 9:30. It does what it's supposed to do, but I can't stand noise gates. They really mess with all my dynamics. All sustaining notes cut off when the volume gets low enough. Roll down your volume knob, pick softly, and it messes with your notes. I have 5 pedals on my board, and have no need for a gate. I've learned to lower the gain a bit, mute well with both hands, and turn the volume down, in between songs, and areas where I'm not playing.

And this is exactly why I purchased, and sold, the ISP Decimator twice. I had it in my head it was the "best" due to its feedback and after giving it a chance twice, I found it just didn't work at all for my setup. I believe my settings weren't far off from yours disturb. At around the 10 o'clock setting, you can't even hear it cutting off any noise and if you turn it up to cut out that excess noise, your sustain turns to crap as the gate kicks in and "naturally" cuts it off. By naturally, I mean it's like a kid going wild with a volume pedal trying to learn where the sweep is. I think with the noise I had in my setup at one point, I could only just about really hear it cut noise by noon on the dial and at that setting the pedal was completely unusable in my opinion - and a reason why I feel the pedal is a poor design.

The NS-2 colors your base tone really noticeably. For some folks, it's done it in a positive manner (it all depends how your rig is - what kind of capacitance you've built up to that point). For me, it changed the dynamics for the worse. It has been bought and sold twice.

At one time, I had even owned a piece of rack gear called the HUSH Super C. That was a pretty decent noise gate that had a lot more parameters you could tweak to get the gate to sound relatively natural. Alas, I didn't need rack gear (I never had a rack setup to begin with), so I didn't purchase another one when it crapped out. I had owned it a long, long time ago before any of the other noise gate/suppressors so unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to A/B it with anything else.

The EH Hum Debugger was a nightmare. I was one of the first to purchase the pedal. It was released without proper testing and there was all sorts of weird oscillation and octave type of side effects that makes your tone sound much worse than what it originally was. It's a shame because it sounded like such a good idea at the time and the pre-release video must have been recorded at a really low volume so you couldn't hear the artifacts it was introducing. It was a cool idea, but to say it was a flop would be an understatement; thankfully, the store I purchased it from fully refunded my money after it was released that the pedal was defective from the get-go.

I finally said "falk it"! I sold my amps that made too much noise to begin with, minimized my pedalboard setup and try not to rely on single coils too much. I don't mind a little bit of noise, so my '62 AVRI Strat does get used, but if I was gigging often I'd probably replace the singles with some noiseless variety.

So, whether you like this or not, no matter what people tell you - I've tried several things on the market and I'll tell you this - the NS-2 is about as good as you're going to get currently. If it doesn't work for your setup, you're screwed because I've tried all the other ones that were considered better than the rest and they've all had their own set of issues.

At this point, I'm expecting someone to say I'm an idiot and that their ISP is amazing and blah, blah, blah and all I can say is - spend the money, try it for yourself and then tell me what your results are ;)
 
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per the '90s guy, yep that is pretty much how I understand it

EH Hum Debugger? phooey. Just like half the stuff EH makes.

When I use the NS-2, the volume and distortion are way up and I need it. It does what it is supposed to and the ill effects mentioned aren't really noticeable at that volume. But every now and then I hear a glowing endorsement for the ISP and it gets me curious, but I'd be willing to bet those folks are using it in a far different setup/rig/chain/application/style than how I would. Most reports are in keeping with what '90s guy said, and the curiosity goes away. But, hey, I've never tried it.
 
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I understand the people who have a gripe with noise gates because some people play styles of music that require that certain touch, feel, dynamic change in volume or tone from time to time, but us metal guys require a lot of gain to induce maximum punishment on the masses and a lot of gain will feed back! When I roll my volume or gain back it does hum and feed back less, but it also does not sound as brutal. It sounds like a 6505+ at half gain! I don't max out the gain or anything I usually have it at 6 or 7, 8 would be the maximum. Thanks for the input guys, I think I'll find a way to compare the two side by side like at a music store or something before I buy.
 
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I understand the people who have a gripe with noise gates because some people play styles of music that require that certain touch, feel, dynamic change in volume or tone from time to time, but us metal guys require a lot of gain to induce maximum punishment on the masses and a lot of gain will feed back! When I roll my volume or gain back it does hum and feed back less, but it also does not sound as brutal. It sounds like a 6505+ at half gain! I don't max out the gain or anything I usually have it at 6 or 7, 8 would be the maximum. Thanks for the input guys, I think I'll find a way to compare the two side by side like at a music store or something before I buy.

Comparing at the store is probably your best bet. I've used the NS-2 with a 5150 II and I didn't like it much. I felt like it colored the tone a bit and cut some of the quieter notes if the threshold was too high. Weird thing is I've used the NS-2 with other amps and it is great.

I'd go try an ISP at the store. You got nothing to lose. Well, except cash if you like it :D
 
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