ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

narcsoul

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Hello,

i have seen many videos of this pedal and i have some questions:

compared to all other analog distortions ?? for example jhs pedal AT bogner burnley or suhr riot ?

Sounds maybe a little compresed and thin or not ?

Also will it work nice in the front clean channel of a full tube amp ?

thanx in advance
 
Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

It is more a preamp than a distortion pedal, so it's not a direct comparison to those. It sounds great running into a power amp.

I never thought it sounded thin, I'm pretty sure the EQ is active and the midrange frequency is adjustable, so you should be able to dial in whatever sound you want. Yes, with the amount of gain it has, it can get compressed, especially if you run the clean preamp into the distorted preamp. I never did that with mine, it was too much, and I used the clean preamp for clean sounds, the settings for it to be a good clean channel vs being a boost into the distortion channel needed to be quite different, IMHO.

Yes, it will work great into the front end of a clean amp, just don't set the output so high that it distorts the amps preamp, unless that is what you are going for.
 
Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

thanx - is there any other similar distortion "drive" - not a preamp - pedal out there ?
 
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I have one Theta preamp and it's fantastic. I'm plugging it to my amp's fx loop ( return ).
 
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I want a Palladium!
 
Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

i wonder if a preamp pedal like this connected in fx loop of a tube amp will completely "disable" the "Tube feel" - harmonics etc.... Am i right or wrong? I mean what is the point if in the end sound is similar to a digital fx ?
 
Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

i wonder if a preamp pedal like this connected in fx loop of a tube amp will completely "disable" the "Tube feel" - harmonics etc.... Am i right or wrong? I mean what is the point if in the end sound is similar to a digital fx ?

I think the Theta excels art high gain so for that kind of use I don't think the tube feel is that much important. I have the AMT SS-20 which is is tube based and it does have the tube feel you talk about even when connected to a solid state power amp.
 
Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

i wonder if a preamp pedal like this connected in fx loop of a tube amp will completely "disable" the "Tube feel" - harmonics etc.... Am i right or wrong? I mean what is the point if in the end sound is similar to a digital fx ?

Tubes can sound great, or they can sound like crap with a bad design or bad tubes. Same for SS, people get way too hung up on tubes sometimes, if it sounds good, it is good. The Theta sounds and feels great, even through a ss power amp, and can work in front of a clean amp. The AMT SS preamps sound great too (didn't I get you started on those IMENATOR?), including the SS-30 which is FET based but they are best running straight to a power amp or fx return (which is just using the power amp).

For running in front of a clean amp, I would still say try the Palladium.

I guess a good question would be, what kind of sound are you looking for and what kind of amp are you using?
 
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Tubes can sound great, or they can sound like crap with a bad design or bad tubes. Same for SS, people get way too hung up on tubes sometimes, if it sounds good, it is good. The Theta sounds and feels great, even through a ss power amp, and can work in front of a clean amp. The AMT SS preamps sound great too (didn't I get you started on those IMENATOR?), including the SS-30 which is FET based but they are best running straight to a power amp or fx return (which is just using the power amp).

For running in front of a clean amp, I would still say try the Palladium.

I guess a good question would be, what kind of sound are you looking for and what kind of amp are you using?

i have an irt studio laney but in every studio wego as a band the amp is different - as for the style i am in "hair metal" bands leads shred etc
 
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So you don't use your own amp? Why don't you take the IRT to the studio?

The Theta or the Palladium will do what you want, check out the Ethan Brosh's demos on the Theta. If you are going into the front of amps, I'd still got with the Palladium.
 
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So you don't use your own amp? Why don't you take the IRT to the studio?

The Theta or the Palladium will do what you want, check out the Ethan Brosh's demos on the Theta. If you are going into the front of amps, I'd still got with the Palladium.

until now i am running through a JHS AT with ts9 before it for tighter sound and more sustain so i want a pedal that will not need any extra boost - this palladium you did mention sounds good but will have the same amount of gain of the ISP or not ?
 
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The Palladium is made by Duncan, http://www.seymourduncan.com/pedal/palladium and yes, it seems to have plenty of gain. The Theta is great but it can have too much gain IMHO if you stack the clean preamp on distortion channel, of course, it totally depends on how you set it.

Google is your friend:

"seymour duncan palladium"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF5zLeGzL3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxP7J_vKPZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4XvQLPe3h0

"isp theta"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu09b6HNse4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ujn6PvPgZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtRSRiGuSw

Some other pedals you might want to consider would be the Bogner Red, the AmpTweaker Tight Rock or Tight Metal, the Suhr Riot, an old Marshall ShredMaster (not made anymore but BYOC has a kit), the AMT series 2 pedals with the drive out (or their drive pedals if you are only going into the front of amps), and dozens more that I can't think of right now.
 
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I want to save my pennies and get an expensive high-gain pedal next month.
 
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The Palladium is made by Duncan, http://www.seymourduncan.com/pedal/palladium and yes, it seems to have plenty of gain. The Theta is great but it can have too much gain IMHO if you stack the clean preamp on distortion channel, of course, it totally depends on how you set it.

Google is your friend:

"seymour duncan palladium"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF5zLeGzL3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxP7J_vKPZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4XvQLPe3h0

"isp theta"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu09b6HNse4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ujn6PvPgZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtRSRiGuSw

Some other pedals you might want to consider would be the Bogner Red, the AmpTweaker Tight Rock or Tight Metal, the Suhr Riot, an old Marshall ShredMaster (not made anymore but BYOC has a kit), the AMT series 2 pedals with the drive out (or their drive pedals if you are only going into the front of amps), and dozens more that I can't think of right now.

which pedals have you tried man ?
 
Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

i wonder if a preamp pedal like this connected in fx loop of a tube amp will completely "disable" the "Tube feel" - harmonics etc.... Am i right or wrong?
Right.

narcsoul said:
I mean what is the point if in the end sound is similar to a digital fx ?
No point.
 
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Re: ISP THETA PreAmp Pedal questions ***

The Theta is analog, not digital, although they do have a digital multi-effects out now with a digital version of the Theta preamp in it. The analog version is great, sounds great, and "feels" great. But again, for a distortion in front of an amp, not my first choice, if I was looking for an pedal based preamp, it is on my short list. Have you tried one Hank?

I haven't personally tried the Palladium or the Amptweaker pedals, but the reviews and videos sound great and I have a pretty good point of reference.

Here's the pedal preamps I've tried/used:
ISP Theta
Tech21 British and Leeds
AMT SS-20, SS-11b, SS-30, S2, P2, and D2
Believe it or not, I'm currently using a Boss GT-100, you can get some good sounds if you dig into it and tweak the preamps, but I am running it through an ISP Stealth power amp and speaker cab with a WGS British Lead, and sometimes in to a 2nd Earcandy cab with a Peavey Delta Pro (EV clone). I do find the direct sounds less than satisfying but I have to admit I haven't really tweaked on them much.

Distortion pedals, holy crap, a lot of them, specific to this thread I've used:
Suhr Riot - Great sounding pedal, kind of a Guv'nor with lots more gain
Marshall Shredmaster and Guv'nor - Both of these are great, the Guv'nor probably doesn't have enough gain for the OP, the Shredmaster probably does
Boss DS-1 and Keeley mods, probably some other mods too, the best DS-1s are the original MIJ and early MITs with the Toshiba opamp chip, the new ones are completely different.
Boss Metalzone, stock and modded, just say no...
Wampler Pinnacle - Good, but wasn't blown away like I expected to be
GGG BSIAB - Awesome Marshall type distortion from a kit

The short list of amps is Mesa Mk IV, Soldano HR50+, Randall MTS50 head (awesome with the right modules), Mesa Single Recto, Fender Prosonic, Peavey XXX, Randall T2, Marshall Superleads, JCM800s, and JCM900s.

My favorite sounding rig was a Kasha Rockmod III preamp with a Rocktron Intellifex in the loop, may have had a Replifex at some point too, into a MosValve 962 power amp running 2 Avatar 2-12 cabs with Emincence speakers. I don't recall exactly, but I think they were either Man-O-Wars or Wizards, or maybe some mix. I also had a few pedals in front of the Kasha, a modded SD-1 for a little extra push on occasion, and maybe a phase 90 or something. That rig sounded awesome even at manageable volume, you didn't have to run it at earsplitting levels like a Superlead or something, you could, but didn't have to.

So, yeah, I have a pretty good point of reference on tones, specifically high gain ones.
 
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The Theta is analog, not digital, although they do have a digital multi-effects out now with a digital version of the Theta preamp in it. The analog version is great, sounds great, and "feels" great. But again, for a distortion in front of an amp, not my first choice, if I was looking for an pedal based preamp, it is on my short list. Have you tried one Hank?

Not yet. I just felt a MPD/DID kind of déjà vu vibe from TS threads & someone else with similar pattern of punctuation & typing format ;) Lol
 
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