Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
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Agileguy_101
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
You're not going to be able to do it no matter how you set it. The sound on cold shot is a Leslie rotating speaker cabinet. What you've got is a poor man's univibe clone. You've got a Pinto and you're trying to beat a Nissan GT-R in a drag race. It's never going to happen.
If you want that sound, look at a leslie simulator like the Strymon Lex, Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere, or Neo Ventilator. The cheapest one of these is $300, so it's not cheap.
You're not going to be able to do it no matter how you set it. The sound on cold shot is a Leslie rotating speaker cabinet. What you've got is a poor man's univibe clone. You've got a Pinto and you're trying to beat a Nissan GT-R in a drag race. It's never going to happen.
If you want that sound, look at a leslie simulator like the Strymon Lex, Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere, or Neo Ventilator. The cheapest one of these is $300, so it's not cheap.
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Thanks, now I know what I should look for
Just have to sell this one.
Thanks, now I know what I should look for
Just have to sell this one.
PFDarkside
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Just want to play devil's advocate and say that some Chorus pedals can cop this tone. (Unless you want to drop hundreds on a Rotosphere, and that's cool too)
Just want to play devil's advocate and say that some Chorus pedals can cop this tone. (Unless you want to drop hundreds on a Rotosphere, and that's cool too)
PFDarkside
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Also, is that Vibe setup for Chorus only or does it do Vibrato also?
Also, is that Vibe setup for Chorus only or does it do Vibrato also?
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
That's funny because I was thinking that I was closer to that sound only with my old Boss CS2
That's funny because I was thinking that I was closer to that sound only with my old Boss CS2
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
yes there is a vibe position.
yes there is a vibe position.
zenmindbeginner
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
SRV used a multi amp rig for the Couldn't Stand The Weather album. The sound is from the Fender version (Vibratone) of the Leslie 16 which used a single guitar speaker instead of a horn and woofer. The Vibratone has an internal crossover which would only utilize the midrange frequencies. The highs and lows would be sent to the driving amplifier since the Vibratone needed to be powered by another amplifier since it was essentially only an external speaker cabinet. Stevie used the Vibratone on it's high speed setting for Cold Shot and CSTW which are his most ubiquitous examples of the SRV rotating speaker sound. The speaker of the Vibratone doesn't actually rotate but a rotor with a foam baffle is rotated in front of it and the amp is mic'd through the grillcloth.
The other amps would have been either a blackface Super Reverb or Marshall 4140 Club and Country amp for the clean sound and a pair of overdriven Fender Vibroverb amps (one drove the Vibratone).
I have a blackface Super Reverb that has been "vibrocloned" with a 15" Speaker to be more like the ultra rare and uber expensive Vibroverb which was only made for one year with SRV's favorite 15 inch speaker (the later 2x10 combo was never anywhere near as loved or lusted after as the 15 inch version).
So, to replicate SRV's sound, you need three distinct tones. An overdriven sound, a clean sound and a rotating speaker sound. All three will be adjusted and mixed according to the song's individual sonic needs. You might be able to get away with that pedal sound if you had two more amps. I've been experimenting with using the dual tone feature of my Line 6 X3 Live and adding my Princeton Reverb with the Weehbo JMP Drive (my Super Reverb's reverb konked out on my sometime recently and I need to get it fixed for the thousandth time... the vibroclone mod has baffled every repair guy I've ever sent it to apparently) for a pretty good SRV tone.
What amp(s) are you using?
SRV used a multi amp rig for the Couldn't Stand The Weather album. The sound is from the Fender version (Vibratone) of the Leslie 16 which used a single guitar speaker instead of a horn and woofer. The Vibratone has an internal crossover which would only utilize the midrange frequencies. The highs and lows would be sent to the driving amplifier since the Vibratone needed to be powered by another amplifier since it was essentially only an external speaker cabinet. Stevie used the Vibratone on it's high speed setting for Cold Shot and CSTW which are his most ubiquitous examples of the SRV rotating speaker sound. The speaker of the Vibratone doesn't actually rotate but a rotor with a foam baffle is rotated in front of it and the amp is mic'd through the grillcloth.
The other amps would have been either a blackface Super Reverb or Marshall 4140 Club and Country amp for the clean sound and a pair of overdriven Fender Vibroverb amps (one drove the Vibratone).
I have a blackface Super Reverb that has been "vibrocloned" with a 15" Speaker to be more like the ultra rare and uber expensive Vibroverb which was only made for one year with SRV's favorite 15 inch speaker (the later 2x10 combo was never anywhere near as loved or lusted after as the 15 inch version).
So, to replicate SRV's sound, you need three distinct tones. An overdriven sound, a clean sound and a rotating speaker sound. All three will be adjusted and mixed according to the song's individual sonic needs. You might be able to get away with that pedal sound if you had two more amps. I've been experimenting with using the dual tone feature of my Line 6 X3 Live and adding my Princeton Reverb with the Weehbo JMP Drive (my Super Reverb's reverb konked out on my sometime recently and I need to get it fixed for the thousandth time... the vibroclone mod has baffled every repair guy I've ever sent it to apparently) for a pretty good SRV tone.
What amp(s) are you using?
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Thank you for this detailed answer; I can feel the passion here. I have 2 amps, a Fender Blues Junior and a Marshall JVM-410 Head through a 2X12 Vintage 30 Celestion.
But the thing is not that I am trying to copy the sound of SRV, I am pretty proud of my sound whatever amp I am running but, I am looking for little modulation effect I can hear on Cold Shot
Thank you for this detailed answer; I can feel the passion here. I have 2 amps, a Fender Blues Junior and a Marshall JVM-410 Head through a 2X12 Vintage 30 Celestion.
But the thing is not that I am trying to copy the sound of SRV, I am pretty proud of my sound whatever amp I am running but, I am looking for little modulation effect I can hear on Cold Shot
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
I've had 50 - 100 pedals, and the Strymon Lex is in my top 5 of all-time keepers. Don't F around. Just get one.
Once you hear it, split between the horn and rotor with two amps, you'll know where the money went.
I've had 50 - 100 pedals, and the Strymon Lex is in my top 5 of all-time keepers. Don't F around. Just get one.
Once you hear it, split between the horn and rotor with two amps, you'll know where the money went.
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zenmindbeginner
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
I just wanted to let you know that you will never hear the rotating speaker effect by itself and it is always blended with the other amps. You definitely have two amps that would totally get you in the SRV ballpark and further if you're so inclined.
The speed or rate of the vibrato/warble is fast at 16th notes with an emphasis on the midrange... any Leslie rotating speaker effect will pull it off. You don't need the best rotating speaker emulator because the Vibratone only rotated one speaker and it was a guitar speaker not a woofer and horn like the nicer Leslie speakers.
SRV also used the Dimension D chorus effect on nearly every solo on Couldn't Stand the Weather.
SRV would mix it in himself via the console's send and return to taste by hand... I guess it added a bit of stereo spread and shimmer. Nile Rogers had it in his studio and SRV fell in love with it's sound during the Let's Dance sessions.
So... on top of the three or four amps which included a rotating speaker effect, SRV would mix in a little Dimension-D as well. A VERY complex sound that is the sum of all of it's parts combined.
But you should be able to get SRV's rotating speaker effect from the cheapest of Leslie emulators. Strymon makes the best stuff... but to emulate SRV's rotating speaker sound, you don't want the best. You just need "good enough".
The cheapo Soul Vibe from BBE, Hardwire TR7 or even the Behringer RM600 will do the trick. I'd start out with trying all 3 of them at a store near you and see which one you gel with the best. Good luck!
I just wanted to let you know that you will never hear the rotating speaker effect by itself and it is always blended with the other amps. You definitely have two amps that would totally get you in the SRV ballpark and further if you're so inclined.
The speed or rate of the vibrato/warble is fast at 16th notes with an emphasis on the midrange... any Leslie rotating speaker effect will pull it off. You don't need the best rotating speaker emulator because the Vibratone only rotated one speaker and it was a guitar speaker not a woofer and horn like the nicer Leslie speakers.
SRV also used the Dimension D chorus effect on nearly every solo on Couldn't Stand the Weather.
SRV would mix it in himself via the console's send and return to taste by hand... I guess it added a bit of stereo spread and shimmer. Nile Rogers had it in his studio and SRV fell in love with it's sound during the Let's Dance sessions.
So... on top of the three or four amps which included a rotating speaker effect, SRV would mix in a little Dimension-D as well. A VERY complex sound that is the sum of all of it's parts combined.
But you should be able to get SRV's rotating speaker effect from the cheapest of Leslie emulators. Strymon makes the best stuff... but to emulate SRV's rotating speaker sound, you don't want the best. You just need "good enough".
The cheapo Soul Vibe from BBE, Hardwire TR7 or even the Behringer RM600 will do the trick. I'd start out with trying all 3 of them at a store near you and see which one you gel with the best. Good luck!
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Thank you very, may I ask you from where you get all these details about SRV gears, it is more than interesting, I hope I didn't hurt you with my previous answer, I was just trying to say that even with the exact same gear as SRV, I will never sound like him, he was unique like every guitar player is unique.
So again thank you for your answers
Take care
Al
Thank you very, may I ask you from where you get all these details about SRV gears, it is more than interesting, I hope I didn't hurt you with my previous answer, I was just trying to say that even with the exact same gear as SRV, I will never sound like him, he was unique like every guitar player is unique.
So again thank you for your answers
Take care
Al
SongsForTheDeaf
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Yeah.... you need to spend over 300 to get a good leslie emulator :dot:
There are several affordable chorus and rotary simulator pedals that you can get so do some research. The Univibe you have now is fine for that vibe sound aswell.
Yeah.... you need to spend over 300 to get a good leslie emulator :dot:
There are several affordable chorus and rotary simulator pedals that you can get so do some research. The Univibe you have now is fine for that vibe sound aswell.
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
I have one and it won't really get that sound.
I have one and it won't really get that sound.
hermetico
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Right amp, right guitar and a bit of Hendrix' soul.
I can go close but, sure, I am not Hendrix and, I have not his rig.
Vibe Machine covers lots of ground, including Hendrix / Trower stuff.
To me, from 10:35 to 12:29, tones goes as close as I can.
But sure, other people would nail it.
Well, tone is on fingers. Gear helps.
Right amp, right guitar and a bit of Hendrix' soul.
I can go close but, sure, I am not Hendrix and, I have not his rig.
Vibe Machine covers lots of ground, including Hendrix / Trower stuff.
To me, from 10:35 to 12:29, tones goes as close as I can.
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
'Tone is in the fingers' won't make your reverb sound right for U2.
'Tone is in the fingers' won't make your reverb sound right for U2.
zenmindbeginner
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
The Dry Bell is a really nice sounding uni-vibe clone. I've been sort of looking out for the best sounding vibe and after hearing your video, I can honestly say that the Dry Bell sounds awesome.
You had your Dry Bell rate on 8th notes and the rotary sound of SRV is 16th notes, so your demo just sounded like Trower 100% of the time. lolz!
The Dry Bell or other vibe clones as Agileguy previously said, are just not going to sound like a rotary speaker... it's voiced to sound exactly like a Uni-Vibe which has a distinctly different sound than a rotary speaker.
A more run of the mill and cheaper vibe effect that isn't voiced so specific might do a better job of emulating a Leslie 16 or Vibratone... the OP's pedal in question is also voiced to sound exactly like a Uni-Vibe.
So, we are all now at least on the same page that a Uni-Vibe and rotary speaker effect are not the same thing right? To assert that they are, is the same bad advice that the OP got at Guitar Center.
That said... Hermetico's playing and tone was super good and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Nice job!!!
The Dry Bell is a really nice sounding uni-vibe clone. I've been sort of looking out for the best sounding vibe and after hearing your video, I can honestly say that the Dry Bell sounds awesome.
You had your Dry Bell rate on 8th notes and the rotary sound of SRV is 16th notes, so your demo just sounded like Trower 100% of the time. lolz!
The Dry Bell or other vibe clones as Agileguy previously said, are just not going to sound like a rotary speaker... it's voiced to sound exactly like a Uni-Vibe which has a distinctly different sound than a rotary speaker.
A more run of the mill and cheaper vibe effect that isn't voiced so specific might do a better job of emulating a Leslie 16 or Vibratone... the OP's pedal in question is also voiced to sound exactly like a Uni-Vibe.
So, we are all now at least on the same page that a Uni-Vibe and rotary speaker effect are not the same thing right? To assert that they are, is the same bad advice that the OP got at Guitar Center.
That said... Hermetico's playing and tone was super good and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Nice job!!!
Agileguy_101
Master of his Domain
Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Yeah the Vibe Machine is a wonderful pedal. Even if I never use it that often, it will never leave my board. It's just that damn good, and if I ever want wonderfully lush and vintage toned modulation, it's right there.
Yeah the Vibe Machine is a wonderful pedal. Even if I never use it that often, it will never leave my board. It's just that damn good, and if I ever want wonderfully lush and vintage toned modulation, it's right there.
hermetico
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Re: Issue to get 'the' sound with the Dunlop Hendrix Limited Univibe
Sure, vibe and leslie aren't the same.
But, as far as I know, Hendrix was using the Univibe pedal, constantly tweaked by Roger Mayer (among rest of pedal chain), who changed something from gig to gig and disk to disk, depending on Hendrix' willings.
Did he used a Leslie?. I don't know realy now it.
Sure, vibe and leslie aren't the same.
But, as far as I know, Hendrix was using the Univibe pedal, constantly tweaked by Roger Mayer (among rest of pedal chain), who changed something from gig to gig and disk to disk, depending on Hendrix' willings.
Did he used a Leslie?. I don't know realy now it.
