I've been very busy, new client's song!

[SpaceShipOne]

The studio took off like a gunshot after the last songs uploaded and I am now booked for over 2 months solid! I have now quit my part time job and am making MORE recording. The past two weeks I have been busy every possible moment outside of school recording. Anyways, a band tried me out and their song is uploaded, second song, Dreams of Yesterday. All Splawn, fake drums for this tryout. They signed on for a full album and will be using real drums for the rest of it. Listen for the underlying piano, good stuff!

www.myspace.com/revoltstudios

EDIT: Moved it to first, obviously.

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Sounds good, but very very 'live' and 'raw' - just a preliminary mix I presume? Vocals have too much verb, also. Try using a delay instead of all that verb.

 

[SpaceShipOne]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Sounds good, but very very 'live' and 'raw' - just a preliminary mix I presume? Vocals have too much verb, also. Try using a delay instead of all that verb.

Finished, but a trial run so not as much detail put into it due to a budget. The rest of the album will be no budget and real drums.

 

[34029324079]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

is she hawt? haha

cool! Im sure u playd a part in that. I really like "release"!!!!

rockin! thats why this forum rawks! cause great musicians like spaceshipone and virtual kevorkian

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Not bad at all! Good going and best of luck going forward.

 

[ImmortalSix]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

It's great to hear that things are taking off for you --- cheers!

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

The mix is very guitar-heavy. +1 to Jeff's comments as well.

Looking forward to hearing a more thorough session.

 

[SpaceShipOne]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

The mix is very guitar-heavy. +1 to Jeff's comments as well.

Looking forward to hearing a more thorough session.

Yea, I noticed that. I mixed it good then when I sent it off to mastering it got loud again. I guess I gotta learn the mastering process a little more and learn what to mix low/high.

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Mastering isn't going to change the level of individual instruments, unless the ME doesn't know what he's doing. Even then, he'd only be clipping transients, so things like the snare would be lost, not guitars brought up.

The better mix you send out, the less the ME has to do, and the better product you end up with.

 

[wahwah]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Yea, I noticed that. I mixed it good then when I sent it off to mastering it got loud again. I guess I gotta learn the mastering process a little more and learn what to mix low/high.

Yeah, I don't think that's something that you could blame on the mastering process. It just sounds like it's been mixed by a guitarist. The most important thing is that the vocals are buried, which is fatal to the song. The guitars being so out of proportion to the rest of the track actually diminishes its power. More people want to hear vocals than guitar, and to reverse that ratio reduces the accessibility of the song. It's a "live and learn" process. Objectivity is the mix engineers most valuable tool.



Cheers....................................... wahwah

 

[SpaceShipOne]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Agreed, help me out with something, specifically VK cuz it's his style. I'm doing a dethcore or w/e style it is band, metal with death metal growls. The vocs are, a 7 out of 10 and just sound...wierd, like a not great singer sounds in a mix. Ideas on the best way to aid this, be it through mixing, delay/reverb, eq?

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Agreed, help me out with something, specifically VK cuz it's his style. I'm doing a dethcore or w/e style it is band, metal with death metal growls. The vocs are, a 7 out of 10 and just sound...wierd, like a not great singer sounds in a mix. Ideas on the best way to aid this, be it through mixing, delay/reverb, eq?

Rage Against The Machine and Seal will have totally different mix styles for vocals. Hard rock can have vocals deeper in the mix than pop for example. You can compress the hell out of them and I would invest in Melodyne for a studio as imo it is the best pitch correction going for vocals. Don't be shy about using several reverbs and delays on the same vocal, the trick is to feel when the vocals are sitting well in the mix.

 

[wahwah]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Agreed, help me out with something, specifically VK cuz it's his style. I'm doing a dethcore or w/e style it is band, metal with death metal growls. The vocs are, a 7 out of 10 and just sound...wierd, like a not great singer sounds in a mix. Ideas on the best way to aid this, be it through mixing, delay/reverb, eq?

It's certainly not my field, VK may have a better suggestion as you said, but my first instinct would be to use liberal amounts of distortion. If you are mixing everything ITB, try an amp sim. Add distortion as a way of adding some harmonic complexity. Maybe some bandpass filtering to put the vocal in its own unique space. Reverb and delay will only diminish the immediacy of the vocal, I think bone dry would probably work best. You might also want to record the vocal with a dynamic mic taking full advantage of the proximity effect, as opposed to the more pristine condenser approach. That would also provide a better signal for the application of distortion.



Cheers.................................... wahwah

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

If you can find it there is an interview with Frank Filipetti who has worked with Korn, he uses a lot of effects on the vocals but they sound dry in the mix, you need to have a great singer and a great signal chain to get away with bone dry and even then most mix engineers don't leave the vocals completely dry it's all about the amount of effect and getting the tracks to gel.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

Found the interview:
http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_frank_talk_filipetti/

Speaking of doing things later, what about ambience on rock vocals?

With a rock vocal — especially with a band like Korn, where you've got such a huge sound behind the singer — it's very important that the vocals are right in your face. Jonathan likes to have a lot of things on his voice, but he doesn't want it to sound like there's a lot. You'd actually be amazed at how much there is going on. We've got vocoders, delays, and choruses on most of the songs, but all are subtly applied to enhance the presence.

 

[wahwah]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

If you can find it there is an interview with Frank Filipetti who has worked with Korn, he uses a lot of effects on the vocals but they sound dry in the mix, you need to have a great singer and a great signal chain to get away with bone dry and even then most mix engineers don't leave the vocals completely dry it's all about the amount of effect and getting the tracks to gel.

Yes, all true, but I was specifically referring to the idea of a deliberately distorted vocal. Ultimately, these producers are doing what they do to make the vocal appear to be dry. The above reference doesn't mention reverb, but the suggestion would be ambient reverbs as opposed to obvious long pre-delays or reverb times, short, buried slapback delays as opposed to longer obvious delays, (like the above mention of chorus, for example) etc. It can be a matter of relative dryness in comparison to the rest of the elements. But you are correct, absolutely bone dry would probably pose too much of a challenge.




Cheers.................................. wahwah

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: I've been very busy, new client's song!

I wasn't trying to invalidate your post, just giving him some references. It's all good if it works.