jazz humbuckers
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Heel Whacker
Re: jazz humbuckers
welcome to the board, mark
what kind of guitar are you looking to put the pickups into? (body wood / neck wood / fingerboard wood / bolt, glue, or neck through construction? hollow body? semi hollow? solid body?
what size pups do you need? full sized double coils? singel coil size? other?
what kind of amp will you be playing through? is this for live or recording? do you use effects?
what style of jazz are we talking about? wes montgomery style? frank gambale style? mike stern style? pat metheny style?
without knowing the answers, i'd say that a set of '59s would sound wonderful ... a set of Seth Lovers, potentially even better
good luck
cheers
t4d
welcome to the board, mark
what kind of guitar are you looking to put the pickups into? (body wood / neck wood / fingerboard wood / bolt, glue, or neck through construction? hollow body? semi hollow? solid body?
what size pups do you need? full sized double coils? singel coil size? other?
what kind of amp will you be playing through? is this for live or recording? do you use effects?
what style of jazz are we talking about? wes montgomery style? frank gambale style? mike stern style? pat metheny style?
without knowing the answers, i'd say that a set of '59s would sound wonderful ... a set of Seth Lovers, potentially even better
good luck
cheers
t4d
Re: jazz humbuckers
With my guitar, the Seth Lover in the neck is warm, but bright and actually not completely smooth. I hear a very small amount of grit in there, but not much. I could be mistaking that for the "honk" it talks about on the back of the box. Personally, I have to roll down the tone pretty far too because it seems like it gets pretty trebly or harsh in the upper mids easily. I'm trying to achieve a mellow jazz, Post-Bop tone. So, I don't really want chime either, which I was (unpleasantly) surprised to hear the Seth Lover have a noticeable bit of too. Would an Alnico II Pro be better for me?
With my guitar, the Seth Lover in the neck is warm, but bright and actually not completely smooth. I hear a very small amount of grit in there, but not much. I could be mistaking that for the "honk" it talks about on the back of the box. Personally, I have to roll down the tone pretty far too because it seems like it gets pretty trebly or harsh in the upper mids easily. I'm trying to achieve a mellow jazz, Post-Bop tone. So, I don't really want chime either, which I was (unpleasantly) surprised to hear the Seth Lover have a noticeable bit of too. Would an Alnico II Pro be better for me?
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TimmyPage
New member
Re: jazz humbuckers
In response to Onslow: The Alnico II Pro is just about exactly what yuou are lsounding, a little 'dull' (as in, very little chime). A very warm sound - It's hard to go wrong with them. Also, depending on your guitar (is it a full hollow?) remember that SD helps produce the Benedetto pickups or is partners in making them so I would really look into them as well.
In response to Onslow: The Alnico II Pro is just about exactly what yuou are lsounding, a little 'dull' (as in, very little chime). A very warm sound - It's hard to go wrong with them. Also, depending on your guitar (is it a full hollow?) remember that SD helps produce the Benedetto pickups or is partners in making them so I would really look into them as well.
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Skaforlifeologist
Re: jazz humbuckers
a cool choice imo would be a phat cat with the stock mags. it's really dark/warm, with just enough definition being that it's a p90 style pickup in a humbucker sized housing.
a cool choice imo would be a phat cat with the stock mags. it's really dark/warm, with just enough definition being that it's a p90 style pickup in a humbucker sized housing.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: jazz humbuckers
It's an Epi LP Standard; bought in '03 or '04 I think. I wonder if it's because the guitar itself isn't all that great, and the Seth Lover being so transparent, contributes to me not enjoying the tone. There's something happening with the top end that I don't like. I guess am looking for a "dull" tone, but not factory pickup dull, haha! Will the Alnico II Pro color the tone a lot more? I'm going for a Bright Size Life tone, but even warmer. The Seth Lover almost seems like more of a country pickup than a jazz one to me.
It's an Epi LP Standard; bought in '03 or '04 I think. I wonder if it's because the guitar itself isn't all that great, and the Seth Lover being so transparent, contributes to me not enjoying the tone. There's something happening with the top end that I don't like. I guess am looking for a "dull" tone, but not factory pickup dull, haha! Will the Alnico II Pro color the tone a lot more? I'm going for a Bright Size Life tone, but even warmer. The Seth Lover almost seems like more of a country pickup than a jazz one to me.
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nightwing122087
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Re: jazz humbuckers
I have Seths in my Les Paul and I think that Seth's are great for jazz. I find them very smooth and warm especially in the neck position. I know a professional jazzer who's very good who has a set of Alnico II Pro's in his guitar.
I have Seths in my Les Paul and I think that Seth's are great for jazz. I find them very smooth and warm especially in the neck position. I know a professional jazzer who's very good who has a set of Alnico II Pro's in his guitar.
wanmei1
New member
Re: jazz humbuckers
Wheras you can play Jazz using just about any pickup, I don't think your really going to get the classic Jazz sound your after from any of the current SD pups.
I agree with the poster that suggests looking into SD's up market
Benedetto pickups.
The suggestion to go with Phat Cats is a reasonable one but I think you'll find it a bit anaemic sounding with some single coil chime when soloing which you said you don't want.
I too have searched for a classic Jazz sounding pup without much success although I still haven't checked out Benedetto.
The closest I've got is using an inexpensive GFS "Mean 90" Humbucker style P90. Again not what your really after if you don't want chime when soloing.
It's an outrageously good pup for Blues and Rock (thick, rich and full p90 sound ) and with a lot of tweaking of pole pieces and slant angle it produces a limited range of good Jazz tones. ( the best I've found so far.)
I'd look into Benedetto.
Wheras you can play Jazz using just about any pickup, I don't think your really going to get the classic Jazz sound your after from any of the current SD pups.
I agree with the poster that suggests looking into SD's up market
Benedetto pickups.
The suggestion to go with Phat Cats is a reasonable one but I think you'll find it a bit anaemic sounding with some single coil chime when soloing which you said you don't want.
I too have searched for a classic Jazz sounding pup without much success although I still haven't checked out Benedetto.
The closest I've got is using an inexpensive GFS "Mean 90" Humbucker style P90. Again not what your really after if you don't want chime when soloing.
It's an outrageously good pup for Blues and Rock (thick, rich and full p90 sound ) and with a lot of tweaking of pole pieces and slant angle it produces a limited range of good Jazz tones. ( the best I've found so far.)
I'd look into Benedetto.
Re: jazz humbuckers
I didn't want to start a new thread for this but lately I'm really starting to not like the honk of the Seth, even with flatwounds on my Epi LP. Everyone says it's smooth but I feel like chords bark at me. I know a lot of cats try to make their guitars sound like horns but I don't think it's for me. It's a very dry sound and I think I want a wetter sound if that doesn't sound stupid. Should I really try an A2P? I do still have a 59 sitting around that I maybe didn't give a fair chance because everyone uses it for hard rock and metal.
I didn't want to start a new thread for this but lately I'm really starting to not like the honk of the Seth, even with flatwounds on my Epi LP. Everyone says it's smooth but I feel like chords bark at me. I know a lot of cats try to make their guitars sound like horns but I don't think it's for me. It's a very dry sound and I think I want a wetter sound if that doesn't sound stupid. Should I really try an A2P? I do still have a 59 sitting around that I maybe didn't give a fair chance because everyone uses it for hard rock and metal.
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marvelous_seven
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Re: jazz humbuckers
Invader in parallel switching
Invader in parallel switching
drew_half_empty
Looking for Real Life
Re: jazz humbuckers
Invader would be the thinnest sounding pickup ever
Anyhoo, first change out all your pots and caps, when you're rockin the knob low enough for jazz you want some quality electronics
For a neck pickup... any PAF or p90 should be fine--with the tone knob on "2" or "1" you shouldn't be able to hear any chime. '59s are the closest to wes montgomery's pickup IIRC, but i bet antiquities would be great as well.
In my jazzbox I have a set of tv jones filtertrons, but they're super chimey so i don't think you'd like em
Invader would be the thinnest sounding pickup ever
Anyhoo, first change out all your pots and caps, when you're rockin the knob low enough for jazz you want some quality electronics
For a neck pickup... any PAF or p90 should be fine--with the tone knob on "2" or "1" you shouldn't be able to hear any chime. '59s are the closest to wes montgomery's pickup IIRC, but i bet antiquities would be great as well.
In my jazzbox I have a set of tv jones filtertrons, but they're super chimey so i don't think you'd like em
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: jazz humbuckers
You shouldn't laugh. People will get tired of me saying this, but the Invader, in parallel, is a pickup within a pickup.
Its a cool old PAF wearing a Metallica t-shirt. Its a Rolls-Royce Corniche in British racing green. Its a sheep . . . ah, what the hell . . .
Just try it. :bigthumb:
Invader in parallel switching
You shouldn't laugh. People will get tired of me saying this, but the Invader, in parallel, is a pickup within a pickup.
Its a cool old PAF wearing a Metallica t-shirt. Its a Rolls-Royce Corniche in British racing green. Its a sheep . . . ah, what the hell . . .
Just try it. :bigthumb:
marvelous_seven
New member
Re: jazz humbuckers
Thanks for correcting me that,I know that Invader in series has abundant lows,but in parallel it's another animal,so we could get two different voices to coax the jazz sound the OP described.
To OP: try invader in series first,if you feel it got too much lows to your taste even after EQ tweaks from your amp then try it in parallel.
Also don't forget that tone knob exist for some reasons :approve:
Tell us what you got then
Thanks for correcting me that,I know that Invader in series has abundant lows,but in parallel it's another animal,so we could get two different voices to coax the jazz sound the OP described.
To OP: try invader in series first,if you feel it got too much lows to your taste even after EQ tweaks from your amp then try it in parallel.
Also don't forget that tone knob exist for some reasons :approve:
Tell us what you got then
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: jazz humbuckers
What kind of axe and amp are you using, and what kind of jazz tones are you after? A Wes Montgomery kinda vibe? Kenny Burrell? Grant Green? CHarlie Christian? John Scofield? Jazz is a wide field man.....
The more info you can give us, the easier we can make a recommendation that will suit you.
What kind of axe and amp are you using, and what kind of jazz tones are you after? A Wes Montgomery kinda vibe? Kenny Burrell? Grant Green? CHarlie Christian? John Scofield? Jazz is a wide field man.....
The more info you can give us, the easier we can make a recommendation that will suit you.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: jazz humbuckers
I was just jazzin' through my version of Sip of Cold Gin - an old traditional jazz tune *ahem*
And I was using a neck Vintage P-90 through a Jazz Chorus model with a touch of delay.
Vol backed off a touch, tone on 4, BMT of 594...
Smoooooooth!
I was just jazzin' through my version of Sip of Cold Gin - an old traditional jazz tune *ahem*
And I was using a neck Vintage P-90 through a Jazz Chorus model with a touch of delay.
Vol backed off a touch, tone on 4, BMT of 594...
Smoooooooth!
