Jazz/JB in an SG?

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It's easy to raise or lower the pickups - just tighten the screws to raise them and loosen them to lower the pickups. This is a very easy adjustment. The screws are very long so you would have to lower the pu's below the level of the pickguard for the screws to come out.

I also thought the duncans might get harsh if I got them too close. The stock 490/498 were very harsh and muddy when close to the strings - that's why I had to lower them by a lot to get a decent tone, but still not that clear at best.

With the jazz and 59, I kept raising them, getting them closer to the strings and the sound def kept getting fatter. The signal got much stronger so I was able to get a cranked sound through the clean channel of my amp. Of course, by lowering the volume knob on the guitar, the sound became clean again. With the strong signal, I got the clang out of the bridge that I wanted. The 59 bridge was very trebly but balanced when set further away from the srtrings. The jazz also got fatter - it sounded too much like a single coil before the adjustment.

Just play with the pickup heights - this is the way to find the sweet spot for yourself. Everyone has a different idea of what harsh and smooth may be. In my case, I was looking for that fat sound, I did not want the thin clean sound. Like I said, after the adjustment the duncans are just as fat as the 490/498's (which I had set very low). But the duncans sound much smoother, clearer and balanced than the gibson's. Like I said in my other post, I got the gibsons to sound good in a band setting, but they still sounded muddy and congested when playing by myself. The Duncans sound great however. Good luck.
 
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You can also adjust your pole pieces on your pup in an arch to improve your tone. Just match the arch of your bridge. This will give better equal distance from pup to string. It gave my SG's alot more fuller and open tone.
 
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Thanks for the tip. I raised the bridge pup last night and noticed a significant tone difference. Definitely thicker and warmer!

Jonny
 
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I played the SG in band practice yesterday - it sounded great. I've used my eric clapton strat for the past 10 years because it's so versatile, but I was able to use the SG for every song. The cleans were fat and round, and the leads really cut through.

I had been contemplating trying out a JB instead of the 59 in the bridge, because I remember how well the JB leads cut through in my hamer. But the 59 did the job great, and the lows of the 59 are much fatter than the JB. That's the only problem with the JB, the mid spike is great for cutting thru, but I think the mid spike is so prominant because the lows are not quite there on the JB. The 59 is much more balanced, and when set near closer to the strings, it's nice and fat.

I'm glad the adjustment worked for you. I was very very close to giving up on the SG, but the JazzN/59B set close to the strings sounds great - fat and warm as you said.

I will say though that the only shortcoming I hear in this combo, is that the in between sound could be a bit brighter. The in-between sound is still pretty fat, so there's not too much diff between that and the neck only sound. But I'm not quite sure I would swap out the Jazz to find a better in-between sound. I'm very happy with the both the clean and distorted sounds of the jazz.
 
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Joe,

You should check out the '59 neck. Most people on this board will tell you the ideal pup combo for the SG is 59's in both spots. I love playing leads on my neck pup. WOMAN TONE galore!
 
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Jonny,

Can you tell me more about the 59N in the SG? Is the in-between sound distinct from the neck only sound when paired with the 59B? The JazzN/59B does not have that glassiness or sweetness in the in-between position.

I had a 59N in my Hamer - great for clean leads, but I think this fatness made clean chords and distorted leads not cutting enough. The Jazz cuts thru nicely, but I do wish it had some of the 59N fatness for clean leads. Also, the JazzN with highs rolled off does not sound very womanly to me, not punchy enough, just kinda dull.

I am very happy with the 59B, so finding a nicely matched neck pu would be ideal.

Thanks.
 
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I don't play in the middle position that much but the '59 neck has been universally recommended as the ideal mate to the '59 bridge. I would use the search function and there is treasure trove of info about this combo. Especially look for posts by "LewGuitar" and use keywords "SG", "59", "tone" to quickly dig them up. You'll also see alot of complaints by me lamenting the thiness of my SG!
 
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jonnymangia said:
I know this is a fav combo of many players, but I'm thinking it'll be too trebly in an SG. Comments?

Going by the tone chart, the Jazz has more treble than the '59. It looks like someone took some treble power out and put some bass power in, if you look at the EQ on the tone chart for the two. However, the Jazz has 4 wire hookup for splitting later on, the '59 does not (without going pro shop), so that might be something to think about. Me personally, if SGs are known to be bright, bright pickups might not be good. The tone wizard still seems to think that Mahogany body + Rosewood fretboard = SH2/SH4 combo with Custom5+'59 as the alternative. It's up to you. This is just my two cents, since I'd have to hear both combinations IN the guitar to really know.
 
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jonnymangia said:
Joe,

You should check out the '59 neck. Most people on this board will tell you the ideal pup combo for the SG is 59's in both spots. I love playing leads on my neck pup. WOMAN TONE galore!

If you want woman tone, that's Alnico II Pro from neck pickup, ala Slash, but I could be wrong.
 
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There's definitely a lot of info when searching. I am content enough with the neck only sound of the jazz, it's just the in-between is not that great. The jazz has the clarity, and I'm guessing the 59N would have the bottom end fatness. If the 59N/59B had the better in-between sound, then I might be swayed to swap the pickups. I still have 10 days to go on the 21-day policy, so I'm doing a lot of research.

I have thought of the A2Pro because Slash has the best neck sound IMHO, but that's in a LP so I'm not sure that translates to the SG. So many options - '59, A2P, PG, and even a P94 or phatcat. I usually hate fiddling with pickups - I was happy enough with the stock pu's in my EC strat, AmerSeries tele, and my hamer studio , but I could not live with the stock gibsons.

I might go with the 59N though, I see that Jonny and another guy (deluxe??) were happy with the 59N in the SG standard, which is what I have. Actually, now that I think of it, no one has really mentioned the JazzN as the pickup for an SG.
 
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I had the Phat Cat neck for a while. It was really nice clean but it sounded like a hot P90 and it wasn't very responsive when I fiddled with the volume/tone knobs ( a la Pete Townsend in Live at Leeds - he got so many different tones out of his p90 driven SG just by using his knobs). The Pearly Gates neck sounded nice clean, but most people will tell you that you shouldn't use AlnicoII in an SG. I love Slash's tone, but the LP and the SG are different animals. The '59 neck seems to be the overhwelming choice for an SG, while people love the '59, Custom Custom, C5 and the Rio Grande BBQ for the bridge.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I think I will buy a '59 neck and compare that with the jazz, keeping the one I prefer and selling the other one. I read somewhere that it took some time going the exchange route, so I think this will be better especially since I can compare the 2 head to head.

There's a ton of good info on this board, but it can be confusing since pickups sound different in different guitars. And from my experience, pickups can sound very different depending on how how you set them.

I'm glad I swapped out the stock pickups though. I almost regretted trading my Hamer studio for the SG. But now I've got the SG sounding good, I definitely prefer the thicker, warmer, and fuller sound of the SG compared to the Hamer which did have a more articulate, clearer sound due to the maple cap I think. Plus the SG's got way more mojo.

Next - it sounds like I should upgrade to the orange drop caps to improve the tone when dropping the volume. I think I will stick with the 300k volume since I'm happy enough with the treble content.
 
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I think with a better cap or a cap with a better value, you can turn down the volume and still retain the highs. I think some people prefer the roll-off in tone, but not me. I was going to swap the cap in the SG to .02 orange drop caps - I have to do some research to verify this. I wish Gibson would use these as stocks - but that would probably make too much sense.
 
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Let me correct myself on the caps. I plan to install a bleed cap across the volume pot of the SG, this will allow me to dial down the volume without losing any highs.

I also plan to install a .02 cap for the tone pots instead of the stock cap. The current cap for the tone pot rolls off too many highs at the lower range. I think the lower cap value will limit this range, so the tone at 0 is still a usable value tone-wise.
 
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If you'd like to sound like Black Sabbath or AC/DC or even more powerful, try it, don't hesitate. But as far as i'm concerned, due to my own experience, JB boosts high middle frequences and high frequences a lot. So be careful.

But i would recommend to you try SH4 or SH5. If you want to sound really hard - try "Invader". I think SH4 and SH5 are more appropriate for Gibson guitars.
 
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