JB 35th anniversary commemorative to use or not?

[skelt101]

Darth Phineas did a JB Model Comparison with data points and everything:

 

[Mr. 80's]

Man, that's incredibly pessimistic. (Do you get that a lot?)

You're clearly a guy that knows what he knows. No worries...If you want to confirm your mere opinions to the level of "proof" you seem to be demanding from others, feel free to grab a vintage "The JB Model", do the data analysis yourself, and share your "scientific" results with the rest of us!

Money where your mouth is and all that....

There would really be no point in doing so since the original vintage JB's don't sound the exact same as they did back when they were made. Time has done its part of how they sound now today. It's really just a shot in the dark at this point comparing them.

 

[beaubrummels]

5) I didn't comment on the collective. I was very specifically speaking to Falbo's comments. He had a vested interested in selling pickups and was not likely say they are the same, don't waste your money even if that were the case. Lots of companies sell "special editions" for more $$ that really are not. Its hardly a new concept. I understand why he may not want to / be able to share the data but at the same time without data, its just talking points that may or may not have basis in fact. I don't take any manufacturers comments at face value. Some are more honest than other but they all have an agenda and spin things accordingly. They real data is often not available and I have make he best decision I can without it most of the time but XYZ person saying so most certainly does not make it so.

The above statement has errors. To my knowledge, he was out of the company at the time those statements were made. He would have had no vested interest in Duncan sales at that point. But he mentions at one point he still was under NDA and could not disclose details of the testing they did, reveal resulting test data or other parts of the manufacturing that Duncan regards as competitive trade secrets. If you want to believe that the inventor of the P-Rail and co-inventor of the Fluence pickup system hasn't done testing and research and collected data that backs up their statements on other products or testing they were involved with, unless they hand YOU all their detailed results to PROVE it, I think that says more about you than anyone. I find the information he has revealed to date compelling enough to credibly explain the differences I have empirically observed myself. I've also worked with inventors, engineers, researchers (I have several patents myself) and these people are not marketing people, and I have the same impression with the technical people from Duncan, current and former, who have spoken what details they can reveal.

It's funny when someone who doesn't have experience with or hasn't done the research on a topic tries to call out someone who has as just having an equal opinion to everyone else on the internet, or just marketing and hype. You try to call out confirmation bias and dismiss everything as hype, as if you are the only neutral party, but you are showing an extreme bias to not distinguish between authoritative information and an anonymous layman on the internet making stuff up. Believe or not, there are people, other than you, who actually do know what they are talking about and are laying out legitimate, valid information.

 

[Masta' C]

There would really be no point in doing so since the original vintage JB's don't sound the exact same as they did back when they were made. Time has done its part of how they sound now today. It's really just a shot in the dark at this point comparing them.

But that's the point, isn't it?...Does a "The JB Model" today sound different than a newer production JB since the "formula" technically hasn't changed?

Whether or not the originals sound different today compared to when they were "new" is largely irrelevant.

With that said, we know that things can only "age" so much. Alnico 5 magnets, for example, are incredibly stable as long as nothing messes with them. Potting might degrade a bit over time and any exposed metals (wire and pole pieces) might oxidize to a degree, but there's really nothing at play that will completely transform a vintage model from sounding like itself over time.

 

[solspirit]

The formula hasn't changed but the materials have.

 

[solspirit]

Use the damn thing.

 

[Juanhanglo]

What is the point of owning something just to look at, and maybe make a few bucks on it?
Why store something for 10 or 20 years to make, what, 25 bucks?

I guess this is why there are storage facilities popping up all around me.
They're storing pickups!!!