JB and Distortion - winds
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Not need to. The presence of ceramic magnets indicate a Duncan Distortion.
And no, the DD and JB winds are not the same, although they're so close that only your dog might hear the difference, once you change the present magnets with a single A5.
/Peter
Re: Ja and Distortion - winds
Not need to. The presence of ceramic magnets indicate a Duncan Distortion.
And no, the DD and JB winds are not the same, although they're so close that only your dog might hear the difference, once you change the present magnets with a single A5.
/Peter
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JB will say SH4 or TB4. Distortion will say SH6 or TB6. The magnet of the Distortion is thick, I'd guess 5mm versus 2.5 of the regular magnet (ballpark estimate).
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JB will say SH4 or TB4. Distortion will say SH6 or TB6. The magnet of the Distortion is thick, I'd guess 5mm versus 2.5 of the regular magnet (ballpark estimate).
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Correct. There's no such thing as 2 pickups which are the same but somehow have some completely different characteristics.
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Correct. There's no such thing as 2 pickups which are the same but somehow have some completely different characteristics.
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That's all I can say, as the tone the guy chose to play, which for me was like a swarm of very angry wasps, didn't really make it easy to test.
All I know is, he liked what he heard after the swap, I got paid, so it was a win/win situation for me, specially being kinda opposite of my average kind of customer, and I couldn't get out fast enough... gett off my lawn, kids!!! Man, I'm ooooooold...!!!
/Peter
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After making the swap, it was by no means apparent to me at all, so if I have to put a finger on it, I blame the way the rig the guitar was put through was setup.
That's all I can say, as the tone the guy chose to play, which for me was like a swarm of very angry wasps, didn't really make it easy to test.
All I know is, he liked what he heard after the swap, I got paid, so it was a win/win situation for me, specially being kinda opposite of my average kind of customer, and I couldn't get out fast enough... gett off my lawn, kids!!! Man, I'm ooooooold...!!!
/Peter
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Actually, I locked the other thread because I tried to get it back to your question, and I was ignored.
My thought about this topic is
1. I don't now the answer
2. I don't care
Both are pickups I would literally never use. But I get that people without any knowledge might have fun speculating. Hopefully the end result is better music made in the end.
Re: Ja and Distortion - winds
Actually, I locked the other thread because I tried to get it back to your question, and I was ignored.
My thought about this topic is
1. I don't now the answer
2. I don't care
Both are pickups I would literally never use. But I get that people without any knowledge might have fun speculating. Hopefully the end result is better music made in the end.
shadowfire90
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Using inductance it's quite easy to spot the difference. Inductance is not on most peoples multimeters. The multimeter I recommend for people without spending 100s of dollars is a Mastech MS8269 or similar. You can get one on amazon for around 20-40$ American.
As most know DC resistance can go up or down depending on the temperature of the area you test in. H as in Henries is our unit. Megahenries are not as strong. I did a post yesterday comparing megahenries to megabytes versus Henries that are like gigabytes. Both are actual measurements. Round them to a solid number. I have a ton of name brand pickups measured like this and written down for those interested. The difference of 1 Henry of inductance is a much bigger than 1k of resistance. The usual range is 3-10H on average for passive humbuckers.
both of these were pickups I had in builds.
SH-4 - JB
15.98 k DC resistance
8.58H Inductance
SH-6 - Distortion
16.58k - DC resistance
7.5H - inductance
this is the multimeter I recommend for those who don't have one and again don't want to spend 100s of dollars. In real world situations there is a few other uses a guitar tech could use for this such as measuring capacitors that the letters are gone off them and testing wiring using inductance reassures us if a pickup is series out of phase.
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Re: Ja and Distortion - winds
Using inductance it's quite easy to spot the difference. Inductance is not on most peoples multimeters. The multimeter I recommend for people without spending 100s of dollars is a Mastech MS8269 or similar. You can get one on amazon for around 20-40$ American.
As most know DC resistance can go up or down depending on the temperature of the area you test in. H as in Henries is our unit. Megahenries are not as strong. I did a post yesterday comparing megahenries to megabytes versus Henries that are like gigabytes. Both are actual measurements. Round them to a solid number. I have a ton of name brand pickups measured like this and written down for those interested. The difference of 1 Henry of inductance is a much bigger than 1k of resistance. The usual range is 3-10H on average for passive humbuckers.
both of these were pickups I had in builds.
SH-4 - JB
15.98 k DC resistance
8.58H Inductance
SH-6 - Distortion
16.58k - DC resistance
7.5H - inductance
this is the multimeter I recommend for those who don't have one and again don't want to spend 100s of dollars. In real world situations there is a few other uses a guitar tech could use for this such as measuring capacitors that the letters are gone off them and testing wiring using inductance reassures us if a pickup is series out of phase.
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Clint 55
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They sound completely different, their unique winds cause the JB to be 1 Henry hotter but they're the same. LOL
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They sound completely different, their unique winds cause the JB to be 1 Henry hotter but they're the same. LOL
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Well...?
/Peter
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Great! Now change the magnet on the DD and put a single A5, THEN measure the inductance again. My take is, that 1 Henry difference will disappear and read just about the stock JB.
Well...?
/Peter
frankfalbo
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Yes. It’s the metallurgy.
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Yes. It’s the metallurgy.
beaubrummels
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In my experience, actual output is the only accurate measure of actual output. Everything else is just ingredients in the recipe. You can’t judge a pizza just by the flour alone.
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In my experience, actual output is the only accurate measure of actual output. Everything else is just ingredients in the recipe. You can’t judge a pizza just by the flour alone.
shadowfire90
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I actually did try this out today on a cheap test pickup. I never would have thought that there was no connection between inductance and resistance. Times lke this I'm glad I joined the forum. Oddly enough I had an alnico 5 magnet I took out of a guitar pickup a few days ago to try this and it's true.
I'd say stick with ceramic. Luckily it's not priced similarly to gold. It'll be a fun project. The only alnico I'd let near a SH-6 or JB is alnico 8 as it's stronger than 5. Or just go with neodymium for heavier tones. To each their own. Everything is done for a reason in those pickups.For all we know it could be a different diameter of wire used to wind the pickup to get a similar resistance but different inductance or a different technique or alloy for the pole pieces to give it, This is all speculation but hey Winter Namm is just around the corner. I wonder what would convince Seymour to tell those interested if he goes this year.
either way without unwrapping the pickup the fastest or easiest way to figure out which pickup it is assuming it's never been modified I'd say is doing inductance. I had this older Bill Lawrence pickup and without inductance I would have had no idea which mode lI had as it came out of a late 80s to early 90s Washburn guitar.
Re: Ja and Distortion - winds
I actually did try this out today on a cheap test pickup. I never would have thought that there was no connection between inductance and resistance. Times lke this I'm glad I joined the forum. Oddly enough I had an alnico 5 magnet I took out of a guitar pickup a few days ago to try this and it's true.
I'd say stick with ceramic. Luckily it's not priced similarly to gold. It'll be a fun project. The only alnico I'd let near a SH-6 or JB is alnico 8 as it's stronger than 5. Or just go with neodymium for heavier tones. To each their own. Everything is done for a reason in those pickups.For all we know it could be a different diameter of wire used to wind the pickup to get a similar resistance but different inductance or a different technique or alloy for the pole pieces to give it, This is all speculation but hey Winter Namm is just around the corner. I wonder what would convince Seymour to tell those interested if he goes this year.
either way without unwrapping the pickup the fastest or easiest way to figure out which pickup it is assuming it's never been modified I'd say is doing inductance. I had this older Bill Lawrence pickup and without inductance I would have had no idea which mode lI had as it came out of a late 80s to early 90s Washburn guitar.
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So you CAN NOT hear the difference.
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So you CAN NOT hear the difference.
beaubrummels
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For the record, I have 2 stock JBs from different time periods and they sound noticeably different from each other. So unless you have a DD and a JB from the same winder and same date, not sure how well you can get an apples to apples comparison.
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For the record, I have 2 stock JBs from different time periods and they sound noticeably different from each other. So unless you have a DD and a JB from the same winder and same date, not sure how well you can get an apples to apples comparison.
