JB awww sound when clean
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I wonder what the equivalent DC resistance would be for the JB if it were wound with 42 AWG. It might come close to 10k.
I wonder what the equivalent DC resistance would be for the JB if it were wound with 42 AWG. It might come close to 10k.
DrNewcenstein
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A JB cut in half should be about 8K. If the outer/bridgeward coil offends you, cut to the inner coil instead. Alternatively, there was discussion of using a blend pot to get custom coil blends, so you can dial in or out as much or as little of one coil to tailor a custom DC output, to some degree.
A JB cut in half should be about 8K. If the outer/bridgeward coil offends you, cut to the inner coil instead. Alternatively, there was discussion of using a blend pot to get custom coil blends, so you can dial in or out as much or as little of one coil to tailor a custom DC output, to some degree.
DavidRavenMoon
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Probably. I did wind a pickup similar to that with 42 gauge wire. It had extra wire blade bobbins. It wasn't wound quite that hot though. Came out to 9.56k. I installed it in my Parker P-38.
In that guitar it was way to thin sounding. I'm not sure why. I actually thought I had the coils in phase (which would make them sound out of phase). I ended up rewinding the stock pickup with 6,000 turns of 43 on each coil. It came our great. Loud, but still has a nice bite on top.
This was the blade pickup.
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Probably. I did wind a pickup similar to that with 42 gauge wire. It had extra wire blade bobbins. It wasn't wound quite that hot though. Came out to 9.56k. I installed it in my Parker P-38.
In that guitar it was way to thin sounding. I'm not sure why. I actually thought I had the coils in phase (which would make them sound out of phase). I ended up rewinding the stock pickup with 6,000 turns of 43 on each coil. It came our great. Loud, but still has a nice bite on top.
This was the blade pickup.
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DrNewcenstein
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Duncans don't use unbalanced coils, to my knowledge, as that's a DiMarzio patent thing. Ergo, cutting a Duncan in half results in roughly 1/2 the output and roughly half the DCR.
Duncans don't use unbalanced coils, to my knowledge, as that's a DiMarzio patent thing. Ergo, cutting a Duncan in half results in roughly 1/2 the output and roughly half the DCR.
DavidRavenMoon
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I never, ever, use single coils. Can't stand the noise. If I do any switching it's series/parallel.
And even then you are dealing with a lot of wire/inductance on each coil.
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I never, ever, use single coils. Can't stand the noise. If I do any switching it's series/parallel.
And even then you are dealing with a lot of wire/inductance on each coil.
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DrNewcenstein
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Then perhaps Artie's CoilSlut mod would work for you, where you split one of the outputting pickup's coils to a coil of another pickup that is not feeding to the output, so you retain the humbucking functionality, but only get the output of the one pickup.
Then perhaps Artie's CoilSlut mod would work for you, where you split one of the outputting pickup's coils to a coil of another pickup that is not feeding to the output, so you retain the humbucking functionality, but only get the output of the one pickup.
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That's not what I meant, I mean a JB is wound to 16k, a Pearly Gates is wound to 8k, the JB doesn't have twice the wire as the Pearly Gates, it only appears that way because the finer wire on the JB features higher resistance for a given length. So if you say "I wont go above 10k" and you mean that with respect to 42 AWG, then you might be perfectly OK with a pickup that is wound to 13k with 44 AWG.
DC resistance is a tricky value to make use of, because we have to account for wire size, and even then it doesn't relate directly to the resonant peak frequency, it only points in a direction. What we really want is the inductance, but those values aren't available to us.
That's not what I meant, I mean a JB is wound to 16k, a Pearly Gates is wound to 8k, the JB doesn't have twice the wire as the Pearly Gates, it only appears that way because the finer wire on the JB features higher resistance for a given length. So if you say "I wont go above 10k" and you mean that with respect to 42 AWG, then you might be perfectly OK with a pickup that is wound to 13k with 44 AWG.
DC resistance is a tricky value to make use of, because we have to account for wire size, and even then it doesn't relate directly to the resonant peak frequency, it only points in a direction. What we really want is the inductance, but those values aren't available to us.
JimmyO
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So looks like something like a PAF36th , Pearly Gates , custom hybrid or 78 may be in order. I personally have never bonded with a split or parallel wired humbucker. I much prefer traditional single coils or humbuckers in series. On the guitar in question I have two humbuckers, a volume, a tone and a 3 way Gibson style selector. Of the pickups recommended so far which would suit a Floyd rose equipped guitar best?
So looks like something like a PAF36th , Pearly Gates , custom hybrid or 78 may be in order. I personally have never bonded with a split or parallel wired humbucker. I much prefer traditional single coils or humbuckers in series. On the guitar in question I have two humbuckers, a volume, a tone and a 3 way Gibson style selector. Of the pickups recommended so far which would suit a Floyd rose equipped guitar best?
darthphineas
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I have a set. I also have just a bridge. Kinda sorta in the ballpark, but not quite.
Asking about cleans is way too open-ended.
I have a set. I also have just a bridge. Kinda sorta in the ballpark, but not quite.
Asking about cleans is way too open-ended.
darthphineas
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What are your thoughts on the Ants and the Seths from the end user perspective? How many different guitars have you tired them in?
What are your thoughts on the Ants and the Seths from the end user perspective? How many different guitars have you tired them in?
JimmyO
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Ok, do the cleans have the annoying mid heavy awwwwww sound like the JB, or is the bridge Eclair more open sounding? I am hoping the later, as the cream/black set looks tasty.
Ok, do the cleans have the annoying mid heavy awwwwww sound like the JB, or is the bridge Eclair more open sounding? I am hoping the later, as the cream/black set looks tasty.
darthphineas
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it's the custom shop. if a player does or doesn't want something, MJ can take care of it.
it's the custom shop. if a player does or doesn't want something, MJ can take care of it.
DavidRavenMoon
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Dummy coil. They tend to make the tone kind of dull, unless they are low resistance.
For single coils I either use dual rail pickups I make, or a type of pickup called a "sidewinder" that sounds like a true single coil, but is humcanceling. Lawrence L-250's are sidewinders.
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Dummy coil. They tend to make the tone kind of dull, unless they are low resistance.
For single coils I either use dual rail pickups I make, or a type of pickup called a "sidewinder" that sounds like a true single coil, but is humcanceling. Lawrence L-250's are sidewinders.
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GilmourD
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Duncan '78, Custom Custom, or EVH Frankenstein (basically a Custom Custom with an aged magnet)? They'll all actually not be nearly as hot as the JB and also not have that cocked wah tone. The only one of those I don't actually own is the '78, but it's basically a PAF wound to almost the max in such a way that it's got a higher output than you would think.
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Actually anything in the Custom range (CC, C5, etc) will get rid of that type of sound. I'd opt more toward a 78 or Custom Custom, neither of which anyone can confuse with a JB. With the right amp (Marshall-alike) they are perfect for what you want.
Actually anything in the Custom range (CC, C5, etc) will get rid of that type of sound. I'd opt more toward a 78 or Custom Custom, neither of which anyone can confuse with a JB. With the right amp (Marshall-alike) they are perfect for what you want.
JimmyO
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Thanks for the advice. The Custom Custom looks promising (the 78 does too but it is twice the price). If I remember my Eddie VH folklore he may have been using something like this for the 1984 album, which is one of my favorite rock tones. My main rock amp is a Marshall JTM 45 and I use Dirty Deeds and 805 pedals to help my distortion and overdrive tones at lower volumes. I've always shied away from the CC as it is supposed to have so many mids, so I assumed it would be like the JB, but I trust you guys. I may go ahead and try one, and if not working out use the exchange policy to try a Pearly Gates or 78. Starting to think an Alnico ii may be what I need in the bridge pickup. Thanks again!
Thanks for the advice. The Custom Custom looks promising (the 78 does too but it is twice the price). If I remember my Eddie VH folklore he may have been using something like this for the 1984 album, which is one of my favorite rock tones. My main rock amp is a Marshall JTM 45 and I use Dirty Deeds and 805 pedals to help my distortion and overdrive tones at lower volumes. I've always shied away from the CC as it is supposed to have so many mids, so I assumed it would be like the JB, but I trust you guys. I may go ahead and try one, and if not working out use the exchange policy to try a Pearly Gates or 78. Starting to think an Alnico ii may be what I need in the bridge pickup. Thanks again!
Liko
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First off, Dimarzio patented a very particular combination of coils with different gauges (thus different inductance numbers) but a similar number of turns (thus matching total impedance), producing a fully hum-cancelling pickup with more highly customizable frequency curves due to the two different resonant peaks of the inductors. Pickups comprised of coils using different numbers of turns (which most of Duncan's hybrid coils are) fall outside the patent.
Second, that patent should be well expired by now; it was filed back in 1983, and the longest a patent has ever been enforceable is 21 years (and not since the 1800s). DiMarzio, as you probably know, is fairly good at protecting their IP though, so it's no surprise that they continue to call it their patented Dual Resonance design.
First off, Dimarzio patented a very particular combination of coils with different gauges (thus different inductance numbers) but a similar number of turns (thus matching total impedance), producing a fully hum-cancelling pickup with more highly customizable frequency curves due to the two different resonant peaks of the inductors. Pickups comprised of coils using different numbers of turns (which most of Duncan's hybrid coils are) fall outside the patent.
Second, that patent should be well expired by now; it was filed back in 1983, and the longest a patent has ever been enforceable is 21 years (and not since the 1800s). DiMarzio, as you probably know, is fairly good at protecting their IP though, so it's no surprise that they continue to call it their patented Dual Resonance design.
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