Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

[vizualsuplex]

okay, so i got my hands on a Telecaster deluxe, dual Humbucker, four knob, 3 way switch guy. LP style. I've been trying to decide what sort of set up to do, and i was wondering if any of out there could enlighten me. It's sorta a take on the Jimmy Page schematic, but instead of two volumes, i want a master volume, and a blend knob. I really want that squaky fourth position strat sound, but without changing axes...

I've seen the threads that have touched on some of the features i want to acheive, but not all of them. maybe you all have some thoughts,

ok so here it goes...

1st scenario:
Master Volume ( push/pull series parrallel)
Blend Knob (Push/pull Phase)
Tone Neck (push/pull coil split)
Tone Bridge (push/pull coil split)

No three way, or maybe a two way kill switch ( tom morello style)

2nd Scenario:
Master Volume (push/pull series/parallel)
Master Dial-a-split ( push pull phase)
Tone Neck
Tone Bridge

three way switch standard. dial a split will split both Hummers in middle position.



I'd preferably rather do it the first way for maximum flexibility. Would the second way be easier/better? Any thoughts or ideas? If someone could give me a rough diagram on the order of what to run where, that would be superb, or better yet, how could i modiffy the Jimmy Page Diagram to have a blend pot instead of a three way switch?


Any help would grand...

thanks

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

The only issue you run into is that the series/parallel portion needs that Gibson style 3-way. That doesn't necesarrily mean you can't do it, but you'd have to look at it first.

Also, for Spin-a-Split you need one pot for each pickup. YOu can use a dual ganged pot to do neck and bridge at the same time, but you lose the ability to do a push-pull on that specific pot.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

You're using a blend pot to select PU's, and be a push-pull also, right? No such thing. Scratch that theory. The JP system has independent volume controls, so you can blend them anyways.

You could use blend pots on the volume controls, one for each PU, so you could blend coils within a PU. This would take the place of the coil-cut push-pulls in the JP system. That would be a nice option. And then phase and series for the tone pots, just like on the original diagram. This would be the best way to modify the JP system and give it even more versatility.

If you want the kill switch effect, having the volume pots wired for independent control does that, just turn one PU down, and then flip the toggle back & forth. The way to get independent volume control is to change the lug that the toggle switch is wired to, and move it to the outside lug (the other outside lug is for gound). Then put the hot leads from the PU & tone pot to the middle lug. It's that easy.

 

[Artie]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

The only issue you run into is that the series/parallel portion needs that Gibson style 3-way.

Just a quick note: The Fender-style 3-way will mimick either style of LP switch just by how its wired. There's no problem there. Use the 1st and 2nd lug on one side, and the 2nd and 3rd lug on the other side.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

Sorry, I meant as opposed to a SPDT switch like the import LP's have. Good point on the Fender switch though.

 

[Artie]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

Sorry, I meant as opposed to a SPDT switch like the import LP's have. Good point on the Fender switch though.

I meant that too.

Use 1a for the neck. 2a and 2b tied together for the output. 3b for the bridge. That forms a SPDT switch.

 

[danglybanger]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

...hopefully you're talking about a Squier or newer RI?

if you try to split an original widerange, you wind up with only 3 strings on the pickup :laugh2:

 

[vizualsuplex]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

Sadly, it's the squier, but i work in a music store and it came in on trade, so at a real sweet price i got myself something to frankenstein...

the plan is to gut it, re shield/wire. I'm also taking the finish off, and contouring it similiar to a strat. Then she'll be fixed up with a brand new olympic white, and black perloid pickguard. All black binding, and a real set of 70's amp knob. Add the CBS-era Headstock sporting a Birdseye Maple neck, with block inlays, and matching black binding ( total getty lee...), well we wont have a telecaster anymore....

Really, I want the fatness of humbuckers, and the squawk of the fourth position strat. I want independant tone control, and either a blend knob, or three way. I'm really just trying to be able to dial that squawk. Any other tones would be cool.

Whats the easiet way? Do i need all that junk under jimmy's hood...? does the blend knob really accomplish the same thing as two volumes?how could i do away with the switch and blend knob all together? ( both on/off combinations.)

Also, would there be any issues with the size of pots, caps, ect?

 

[vizualsuplex]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

as far as the idea of swapping the two volumes for a dial-a-coil in the JP, how would i got about doing that?
-thanks

 

[CenterStaqeSilver]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

I once had a Fender Telecaster Deluxe with the two humbuckers and I would NEVER buy that guitar again without knowing exactly how I would replace the pickups. I found it to be what a professional Fender Strat player called a "fuzz box" and "not at all like a Tele", which I found while playing, to sound like a cheap imitation of a Gibson SG or something; garbage pickups, garbage tones.

I love SGs and the full rich Telecaster and Strat tones. Fender made a major blunder by assembling the Tele Deluxe the way they did.

Be glad you got one cheap that you can rip open and give a double bypass heart transplant to. You may very well end up with a great sounding guitar once you rid it of the original buckers and probably the pots too.

I'd recommend you play that guitar (as is) through a top quality amp to discover exactly what the problems are, in order to be able to select the replacement pickups very carefully and end up with what you want.

 

[danglybanger]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

I love SGs and the full rich Telecaster and Strat tones. Fender made a major blunder by assembling the Tele Deluxe the way they did.

Bah. I love wideranges But 70s Fenders or Gibsons weren't the best in terms of wood and etc... Anyway, the RIs (fender and squier) come with normal HBs which makes me not like them as much.

 

[Artie]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

For what its worth, I converted my HSS Peavey Tele to HH and installed the classic C5/59 pair. The C5 was a perfect Tele bridge pup. Had what I called a "gentlemans twang". And the 59 in the neck covered rock and blues great.

Just a thought.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

I meant that too.

Use 1a for the neck. 2a and 2b tied together for the output. 3b for the bridge. That forms a SPDT switch.

I completely missed the Telecaster Deluxe part! Sorry...

 

[vizualsuplex]

Re: Jimmy Page LP wiring, but with Blend knob and master Volume. A little help...

well my "style" touches base with funk, jazz, and fusion. My other gui-box is an Ibanez AS200, John Scofield style, with a custom bigsby. I really dig the Pups in her, Super 58's which are similar to the 59's. I LOVE the semi hollow tone, but the guitar is a beast to say the least. I've been looking to have a solid body guitar that has enough swagger to Comp, enough Funk to drop the 16ths, but can scream if I i work her real hard ( kinda like a good woman)

I have another thread going about pups, but what you all think about an Alnico II PRO/ Pearly Gates combo?

My rig is based on that of Trey Anastasio, Clean Deluxe Reverb, and i get my ballz from two two Analog man modded tube screamers, one for rhythm, the other for lead... I also have been using the Keeley Compressor for some time now, and am thinkin i dig it
( compressors have never 100% impressed me), and a RMC3. I've been on the hunt for my perfect delay pedal. Lately, I've been toying with the new space echo, ( i work in a music shop so i get to "borrow" gear before i buy it). Neat little guy...

Any who, I'm not a high gain, pinch harmonics type of guy. I like to comp, and lay down the 16th notes. My runs and liens are more chromatic hiccups of the brain and fingers.

any suggestions?