Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

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SunIsLoco

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Hello! I recently upgraded pickups in my Les Paul Studio to PGB/JazzN, and also installed them using Triple Shots for coil split / parallel sounds. My aim here was to audition each sound to determine which I liked and would actually use so that I could do a full wiring upgrade with push/pulls and sell the TS set.

So now I've figured it out, but I'm struggling to understand the details of Jimmy Page wiring. I've seen quite a few diagrams, as well as a few lists that describe each and every combination, but the diagrams are all different and the lists aren't attached to specific diagrams. I'd also like to wire it 50s style, and I'm having trouble finding diagrams for that.

So what I want is Jimmy Page wiring with 50s style for treble retention at lower volumes. I also want the slug coil to be active for the neck split, and either one on the bridge (from what I've seen, the pickup that is wired to the phase switch can use either coil).

Any diagrams out there for such a thing, or at least one that is close enough to be modified?
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

All of the mods can be done......the changes to the wiring are simply modular.
50's wiring is simply the lug of the volume pot that the tone circuit is attached to. The middle lug will give you 50's.
Normal splits with duncan colour codes give you the slug coil as split.

There are quite a few options for schemes. Some are either similar/same in that you will get the same result (tone pots often have differences in wiring that are electrically identical). Other versions might try to overcome the problems that such a complicated wiring results in. I do know there are a few 'dead' options with certain selections. You might have to find a source that can explain the various amendments that have been made to the scheme to find the least problematic version.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

Strangely, I just signed up to this forum after spending some of my weekend upgrading my Japanese Tokai LS-150F (a '59 spec Les Paul law suit guitar) to 50's spec wiring and adding Seth Lover pickups. I will post a new thread in this forum with pics. If you have wiring questions you are welcome to an answer, I can PM you some vid guides I used to help me - it was actually quite easy. I added vintage taper CTS pots and Bumblebee caps from Luxe too. Sounds awesome!
 
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Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

Ok, the triple shots are already taking care of splits and parallel per pick up, so you don't need Jimmy Page push pulls for that-

What is left from JP wiring is the Out of Phase and Series combinations, is that what you are looking for?

If so, you can easily add these push pulls as outlined in the following diagram-
http://ufc204.us/semour-duncan-jimmy-page-wiring-diagram.asp

50s wiring is another mod, very simple change- diagram here-
https://www.google.com/search?q=50'...hUEIpAKHc7WBvMQ9QEIbjAD#imgrc=4BUaGUNmmIUg7M:

As far as picking coils with Triple shots, I'll leave that to someone who has more experience with them.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

SunIsLoco said:
Hello! I recently upgraded pickups in my Les Paul Studio to PGB/JazzN, and also installed them using Triple Shots for coil split / parallel sounds. My aim here was to audition each sound to determine which I liked and would actually use so that I could do a full wiring upgrade with push/pulls and sell the TS set.

So now I've figured it out, but I'm struggling to understand the details of Jimmy Page wiring. I've seen quite a few diagrams, as well as a few lists that describe each and every combination, but the diagrams are all different and the lists aren't attached to specific diagrams. I'd also like to wire it 50s style, and I'm having trouble finding diagrams for that.

So what I want is Jimmy Page wiring with 50s style for treble retention at lower volumes. I also want the slug coil to be active for the neck split, and either one on the bridge (from what I've seen, the pickup that is wired to the phase switch can use either coil).

Any diagrams out there for such a thing, or at least one that is close enough to be modified?
Click to expand...

What is your idea of JP wiring and when do you think he started using it ?
 
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AJK1 said:
What is your idea of JP wiring and when do you think he started using it ?
Click to expand...

Jimmy Page wiring is 2 coil splits, phase and series/parallel on a 2 humbucker guitar. Pretty sure he started using it in the 90s.

My goal here is to replace the triple shots with the standard 4 push-pull configuration. I only got them to audition the individual coils, there isn't enough difference between them for that flexibility to be useful to me, since I don't have p-rails or uneven wound coils.

Also, while I'm at it, I want to wire up the volume lugs 50s style.

Why do you ask? Really all I need is a diagram that someone vouches for, I've heard that not all of the ones you see online work. I can probably figure out 50s wiring myself, I just figured I would ask about that too in case anyone knew of a diagram showing both.

EDIT: I'm having trouble understanding the official Seymour Duncan diagram on the website, specifically the split wiring on the volume pots. I get wiring red amd white together, but in split mode it looks like they're both wired onto the hot leads on each pickup, instead of to ground. Why is that?
 
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Maybe it's another way to split the hbs but leaves the red and white available for the other functions.

All 50s wiring is: the tone pot connected down stream from the volume pot, usually the middle lug on the volume pot.
 
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Can anyone who has tried the official SD diagram confirm that it works as-is? I know enough about electronics to question some aspects, but probably don't know nearly enough to answer those questions.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

I'd surmise that all the Page wiring schemes will work. But with different versions you might solve different redunancies that such wiring options present, and in fact there are several wiring differences that do precisely the same thing but look different.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

I just don't fully understand why the coil splitting pots are wired that way, and I know that some of the online diagrams are incomplete so I just wanted to double check before I dove in
 
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The push pulls look like they operate series/parallel and phase while the triple shots handle the splitting.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

Clint 55 said:
The push pulls look like they operate series/parallel and phase while the triple shots handle the splitting.
Click to expand...

Yeah sorry, ignore the uploaded picture, I just don't know how to remove it. The link above has the correct diagram, I uploaded the wrong one.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

I get the series and out of phase pieces, but the coil split confuses me. Most others I've seen have red and white going to ground when split
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

Well thats good news. I don't quite follow what they're talking about in that thread about flipping the schematic for the bottom two pots though.
 
Re: Jimmy Page Wiring - need some clarity

I guess I'll trust the schematic, although if anyone can help me understand how the coil splits work, I'm very curious.

Also, any insights about flipping the bottom pot schematics? Is that just a frame of reference thing - I assume that the two lugs closes to the pots in the diagrams are the side that is engaged when pulled, and the lugs furthest from the pots are the ones engaged when ushed (i.e. default behavior).
 
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