Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

bazie

bazie

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Hi,
In the Jimmy Page wiring, both tone pots have capacitors connected to the ground. I'm thinking if it wouldn't be better to connect one capacitor to the "south start" of the pickup. When PU's are connected in parallel, the "south start" connects to the ground as usual. When PU's connected in series, the capacitor, the "south start" would connect to the "hot output" of the other PU.
What do you think about it?
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

In addition to the tone control, or instead of the tone control?

Regardless, why do you want a cap in series with the pickups? What is that supposed to do?
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

Let me clarify.
In Jimmy Page wiring, each PU has its own tone control. In each of them, capacitor is connected between the tone pot and the ground.
When we connect the PU's in series, both capacitors are still connected to the ground. However, one of the PU's is not connected to the ground - let's say, its south start connects to the north start of the other PU.
Hence my idea - the tone capacitor could be connected between the tone pot and the south start of the PU.
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

In series out of phase, the bridge tone functions as a master tone. In series in phase, it still functions as a master tone, though it's weak. I don't think there's much more to be gained trying to add the neck tone into it. It's basically like trying to get 2 tone controls tapped off the same 'pickup', because in series they are working like one pickup. You really want to make the series position even darker?
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

Unless you leave the tone with full treble in series connection, it would not get darker - the capacitors would also be connected in series, which decreases the total capacity, thus, less treble escapes to the ground.
 
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Hmm, that might explain why the bridge tone goes weak when in series in phase. I'd have to analyse the circuit to be sure that's what's happening. (I simply plugged in my SG with Page wiring and listened to it for this thread.)
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

Which version of the Jimmy Page wiring? Are you doing the 4 switch or 6 switch version?

This is purely out of curiosity - I can't answer your question with any level of authority, although I don't see how running the tone cap in series with the pup would help.

Just because I don't see it doesn't mean anything more than I don't see it though. I'm still a novice at this.
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

I adopted Jimmy Page wiring for a 2-humbucker guitar with master volume and 2 tone pots. The schematics I based on was the one from Seymour Duncan:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=jp_style
but then I modified to:
http://www.mylespaul.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11003

After this modification I changed the neck pickup tone control so that the capacitor is connected between tone pot and "south start" of the neck pickup. The result is interesting: the sound of two pickups in series is similar to two pickups in parallel, but stronger. This difference is especially audible using clean tones. The more overdrive, the less audible it is, nevertheless, there is always some difference. The sound is brighter than the typical one of both pickups in series. And there is no need to adjust the tone after switching from parallel to series connection, which is often the case when using the JP wiring. Maybe there could be a mini-switch which could allow player to select which version of tone control he/she wants.
 
Re: Jimmy Page wiring - tone controls

bazie said:
I adopted Jimmy Page wiring for a 2-humbucker guitar with master volume and 2 tone pots. The schematics I based on was the one from Seymour Duncan:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=jp_style
but then I modified to:
http://www.mylespaul.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11003

After this modification I changed the neck pickup tone control so that the capacitor is connected between tone pot and "south start" of the neck pickup. The result is interesting: the sound of two pickups in series is similar to two pickups in parallel, but stronger. This difference is especially audible using clean tones. The more overdrive, the less audible it is, nevertheless, there is always some difference. The sound is brighter than the typical one of both pickups in series. And there is no need to adjust the tone after switching from parallel to series connection, which is often the case when using the JP wiring. Maybe there could be a mini-switch which could allow player to select which version of tone control he/she wants.
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Interesting. Thanks.
This is something I was going to try in my new design for "single stratos in series".
Well, not exactly the same. I was thinking on to test Artie's de-mud mod, instead but, your feedback is interesting enough.
 
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