Joe Satriani neck pickup location

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that harmonic node you think is a myth is what provides that open, bell like quality.

It is a myth.

A node is where you CAN'T sense that harmonic. The pickup being under that node is not increasing its harmonic content.

Also that node is only there for open notes. When you fret the string that 4th-order harmonic node will move. It's always 3/4 of the way up the vibrating section of the string.

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[oilpit]

24 fret defense squad out in full force tonight.

EDIT: Can you at least hear that there is a tonal difference?

I am not saying that it is better in any way shape or form, but surely you must be able to hear one, even if it doesn't bother you?

Because if you can get that part, then you can probably understand that we prefer that difference, even if you think it is ridiculous that we care about such an insignificant factor. It matters to us.

I am happy to scream from the mountain tops that the position of the neck pickup and the harmonics is all a total fantasy, if it means that you guys won't jump in every time this topic comes up to loudly proclaim your superior knowledge of tone.

 

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24 fret defense squad out in full force tonight.

Again, it's fine to like whatever you like. I'm just clarifying what nodes are and why they're not doing what you think they're doing.

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[oilpit]

Again, it's fine to like whatever you like. I'm just clarifying what nodes are and why they're not doing what you think they're doing.

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Thank you for your infinite sonic wisdom, please let us enjoy our preferences now.

 

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I guarantee I could blindfold any of the 22 fret traditionalists, and with the right amp and pickup, they wouldnt be able to tell 100%.

So many of the top guitarists have 24 fret signature models. If it was fundamentally bad tone, that wouldn't be the case.

This thread started BECAUSE someone wanted to cop the JS 24 fret neck tone.

 

[oilpit]

This thread started BECAUSE someone wanted to cop the JS 24 fret neck tone

Yeah because he had Ibanez design a guitar specifically to mitigate that problem, after decades of sticking to 22 frets because he didn't like the neck tone of 24 fret guitars!


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I know that you think that you could blindfold Satch and outsmart him with your incredible ear, I however, am skeptical.

 

[Mincer]

Huh? Turn up the bass a little bit on your amp?

I do not hear anything that is "fundamentally" different between 22 neck and 24 neck. Maybe a little less bass. Different neck pickup has much more bearing on the sound. Its like complaining about inches when the most common adjustment is by feet.

Your statement to me sounds like something Eric Johnson would say about batteries.

You may not hear it, but I have had this discussion with world renowned luthiers and players alike and we all hear it. I am willing to try out a guitar with 24 frets through my rig and if I like it, my mind will be changed. But I haven't heard it.
I have no idea why someone would get so defensive about this. A weird hill to die on. I hear it, and don't like it...you don't and think it is the same. I spend 75% of my time on a neck pickup, so I trust my experience. I don't particularly feel the need to argue it. It is more than less bass, and that is unfair to distill my and the artists' and luthiers' I've talked to about this to 'you are all wrong, just turn up the bass'. Oh well.

 

[Top-L]

This is pretty much what I hear, and what everyone else hears as the difference between 22 and 24.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quIS5iM3qNM&t=2s

These guitars have the same neck pickup.. with a different pickup they could be made to sound even closer. If you can't get a 24 to work for you... well alright then.

My guitars are 50/50 22 and 24 frets fwiw. Never say never.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

It might be insane, but I will believe it when I hear a neck pickup on a 24 fret guitar that I like. It simply doesn't work for the kind of music I play and what I want to hear. Other people love it, but I don't think it works for me at all. If a guitar comes along that changes that, I will change my position, but I've not played one yet.

Steve Vai's Hand on Heart.

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[Obsessive Compulsive]

Huh? Turn up the bass a little bit on your amp?

I do not hear anything that is "fundamentally" different between 22 neck and 24 neck. Maybe a little less bass. Different neck pickup has much more bearing on the sound. Its like complaining about inches when the most common adjustment is by feet.

Your statement to me sounds like something Eric Johnson would say about batteries.

Yeah neck pickups on 22 fretters sound mushy to me. On 24 it's more articulate but still retains the distinct smooth character.

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[Obsessive Compulsive]

Yeah because he had Ibanez design a guitar specifically to mitigate that problem, after decades of sticking to 22 frets because he didn't like the neck tone of 24 fret guitars!


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I know that you think that you could blindfold Satch and outsmart him with your incredible ear, I however, am skeptical.

And it took them 25 years to figure out that the answer is single coil sized humbuckers...lol.

Hamer already did it with Californian long time ago.

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This is pretty much what I hear, and what everyone else hears as the difference between 22 and 24.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quIS5iM3qNM&t=2s

These guitars have the same neck pickup.. with a different pickup they could be made to sound even closer. If you can't get a 24 to work for you... well alright then.

My guitars are 50/50 22 and 24 frets fwiw. Never say never.

Cool.

 

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I guess chocolate vs triple chocolate would be another heated debate.

 

[JamesPaul]

I guess chocolate vs triple chocolate would be another heated debate.

I will be filing this topic in that same file as JBJ vs. JBx, old JB vs. new JB, pickup used on Van Halen I, electric guitar tone woods, electric guitar resonance, etc.

But seriously, I think it's a matter of personal preference.