just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

[myxolidian]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

Copying a track and using a slight delay always sounds a little out-of-phase to me as well as being too mechanically perfect. I've tried it before and it doesn't sound as good as double or triple tracking, with each take having a little different tone/feel/attack/etc.

 

[Voxman]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

It's not that I didn't like your advice, but I would never advise someone to copy and paste a track, and then use a slight time shift to even things out. Double tracking it with another take through, and I feel it sounds way less mechanical, and thicker, tonewise.

I know what you meen but,dubbing does not allways do the job!
I use dubbing a lot to open up a pre chorus,chorus or intro.
if you want the guitar to sound massive and really tight you`ll have to copy it.
It`s nice to use copy tracks on a verse if you want the chorus to really open up.
It`s all about what the song needs. I`v learnd a lot of my recording tricks from pro produsers.
If you want me to spell it for you , Tony Lommi (black sabbath) use the copy shortdelay trick on many of his classic recordings.why you ask......To make it sound really really tight and wide!!!!!

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

No offense to Iommi, but the production on those albums weren't that great, as far as guitar recordings go, IMO.

What music are you referring to, though? The rules always change when going into extreme metal - the producers I'm talking about are guys like Andy Sneap, Colin Richardson, Neil Kernon, etc.

 

[Voxman]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

No offense to Iommi, but the production on those albums weren't that great, as far as guitar recordings go, IMO.

What music are you referring to, though? The rules always change when going into extreme metal - the producers I'm talking about are guys like Andy Sneap, Colin Richardson, Neil Kernon, etc.

I`m more into Bob Rock,mutt lange,Bruce fairbairn kind of producers.:fingersx:

 

[DonLduk]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

ok my main deal was that I played a track twice, therefore I created 2 tracks (which arent perfectly identical because i am not a robot) then I had them so panned away and so loud over the mix of the drums and bass, that it sounded awfull, and since they were slightly different, I even got the sensation at certain parts, the feeling of a delay, because if note A is played on minute 1:45.09 on one track and note A on the other track is played at 1:45.11, then theres a 20ms delay between the notes. that was all the deal, and I corrected it by reducing pan, and of course reducing volume.

 

[Voxman]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

ok my main deal was that I played a track twice, therefore I created 2 tracks (which arent perfectly identical because i am not a robot) then I had them so panned away and so loud over the mix of the drums and bass, that it sounded awfull, and since they were slightly different, I even got the sensation at certain parts, the feeling of a delay, because if note A is played on minute 1:45.09 on one track and note A on the other track is played at 1:45.11, then theres a 20ms delay between the notes. that was all the deal, and I corrected it by reducing pan, and of course reducing volume.

You`re right. sorry for going off topic:bowdown: :bowdown: :laugh2:

 

[DonLduk]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

sometimes its good to get off the line-

 

[Marcel]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

I'm just wondering how much it would fat up the sound to send the clean signal thru different amps / to reamp it?!

 

[Brow]

Re: just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

What I personally do when mixing guitars on songs is to pan them at 10 and 2 like on a clock (40% pan?).

I find that this fills the sound out enough so that it doesn't sound empty, but also leaves enough space fr me to fit other instruments in around them