Kiesel (Carvin) Guitars now use 6-pole bobbins and still in double cream

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If you follow Kiesel's Instagram, they are always posting pics of some of the most overdone, gaudy finishes. I've liked some of their semi-hollows (the SH-550 is sexy), but they sound like a solidbody due to the carded top and back (instead of ply).
 
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Diodati 58: Kiesel KL12n/KL12b
Diodati 59Q: Carvin H22n/C22b
Gibson Sig T LP: 57 Classic/Classic +
Edwards Sykes LP: Duncan Distortions
Fernandes Ravelle: Duncan Jazz/JB

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The new Kiesels have Torx screws for the poles instead of slotted or allen screws.
Maybe that's why they can do the creams.
 
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Diodati 58: Kiesel KL12n/KL12b
Diodati 59Q: Carvin H22n/C22b
Gibson Sig T LP: 57 Classic/Classic +
Edwards Sykes LP: Duncan SD's
Fernandes Ravelle: Duncan Jazz/JB

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The new Kiesels have Torx screws for the poles instead of slotted or allen screws.
Maybe that's why they can do the creams.
Yeah
What do you think of the Kiesels

In fact would you mind comparing all the Carvin pickups to the Gibson 57s

Please
 
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Yeah
What do you think of the Kiesels

In fact would you mind comparing all the Carvin pickups to the Gibson 57s

Please

Well, I went with a "Toneman" 50's wiring kit on the Diodati 58. Stock modern wiring on the 59Q. So, that does make a difference.

As far as compared to the 57's. The Kiesels have a very similar clarity to the 57's. But, have more bottom end than the 57's.

I find the 57's to be a bit too neutral sounding across the B/M/T. Next string change I'm going to mess with the pickup and poles height on the 57's to see if I can get better dynamics from them. If I can't, I may switch them out to some type of covered Duncans. Plus, I still got to get rid of that Giant awful "T" truss cover.
Give the Sig T a more classic look.

The H22n/C22b sound nothing like the 57's. Definitely, a little more boomy and compressed. More modern sounding. I'm eventually going to switch to a 50's kit on that one to see if I can get better clarity. Otherwise, there not bad pickups. Work great for modern hard rock and metal. Definitely, better than the stock pickups that were in the 59Q.
 
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Maybe Larry is drinking at Dick Manitoba's bar, and lost track of things...
 
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Nice looking guitar there! I too dig and want some double cream SD's! I don't know how to swap that stuff around,afraid to "F" up!
 
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Thank you Mr Herman
Sorry for the sidetrack
As you were
 
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Wolfe, nice seeing you round here! Good info in this thread! Ive known for years about the dc copyrights and detest it. But there is still some addl good bits here.

Im not one to spew poo about anyone I don't know personally, but my vibe from Jeff K is not favorable. And as I believe Mincer said, some of the Kiesels are gaudy. But, IMO, so are many of the high line PRS'. Some people like that. I am kinda glad they do separate the brands for that reason. Ive not played a Kiesel, but have had a few Carvins. Most of them have been nice axes! Id love to have one of the Jason Becker models..
 
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Wolfe, nice seeing you round here! Good info in this thread! Ive known for years about the dc copyrights and detest it. But there is still some addl good bits here.

Im not one to spew poo about anyone I don't know personally, but my vibe from Jeff K is not favorable. And as I believe Mincer said, some of the Kiesels are gaudy. But, IMO, so are many of the high line PRS'. Some people like that. I am kinda glad they do separate the brands for that reason. Ive not played a Kiesel, but have had a few Carvins. Most of them have been nice axes! Id love to have one of the Jason Becker models..
I feel as though things have gone down hill ever since they brought about the Kiesel brand and Jeff's been their mascot. He really spouts off about a lot of things, he has terrible customer service skills (has actually told customers that he liked the color he came up with better than what they ordered and would not even do a partial refund or a refinish), and then did that whole video claiming that the factory was robbed and told people to be on the lookout for specific guitars when it was actually idiot salespeople that got caught with the Nigerian scam.

Jeff should stick to making guitars and stay away from the Internet.
 
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...The new Kiesels have Torx screws for the poles instead of slotted or allen screws.
Maybe that's why they can do the creams.
Aha, maybe that is indeed.
Wouldn't wanna be the guy that buys the pickup and then wants to do some fine tuning himself. Ooops! (well, actually I'm fine since I own torx screw-drivers for work but still)
...Im not one to spew poo about anyone I don't know personally, but my vibe from Jeff K is not favorable. And as I believe Mincer said, some of the Kiesels are gaudy. But, IMO, so are many of the high line PRS'. Some people like that. I am kinda glad they do separate the brands for that reason. Ive not played a Kiesel, but have had a few Carvins. Most of them have been nice axes! Id love to have one of the Jason Becker models..
You and me both brother!
I do love what they did with this one:
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Don't hate the newer DC600 and Aries either.
I feel as though things have gone down hill ever since they brought about the Kiesel brand and Jeff's been their mascot. He really spouts off about a lot of things, he has terrible customer service skills (has actually told customers that he liked the color he came up with better than what they ordered and would not even do a partial refund or a refinish), and then did that whole video claiming that the factory was robbed and told people to be on the lookout for specific guitars when it was actually idiot salespeople that got caught with the Nigerian scam.
Jeff should stick to making guitars and stay away from the Internet.
While I do agree that Jeff Kiesel gives the distinct impression of being all attitude and not much more, respectfully I find that you are oversimplifying things.
Like I mentioned earlier, I did read the thread you are referring to and while I will agree that the way he handled it was definitely less than professional, you are fundamentally misquoting Jeff and also overlooking the fact that the customer acted in a way that I would describe as "shady" myself. Not wanting to go into length, just take a look at the photo the customer posted and compare it with the photo Jeff took before shipping it. You can clearly see how he (IMHO) intentionally overexposed it to make it look more off than it really were.

Also, what Jeff said (while still wrong) was that the finish couldn't be matched 100% due to the fact that the "customer selected a wood (Burl) that is much darker and more brown in color than the flamed maple used in the original image", which makes sense, and added that taking into account the above, they nevertheless felt happy with the match.

The part that is wrong IMO is that although he knew it couldn't be matched 100% due to the different woods used, he accepted the task and went ahead anyway whereas what he should have done was tell the client exactly that from the get go and either have him agree to it before starting or not do it at all.
Alternatively, he could have offered to do the best that he could and omit the photo-match overcharge.
Baring that, again I do think that he should have refunded said overcharge but my gut tells me that at that point he was so pissed off at the client that he simply didn't want to accommodate him any longer.

Definitely poor customer skills, no arguing that but in all fairness, certainly not as bad as what you are making him out to be.
 
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Yeah, I have a set of Torx as well. You're seeing them used in a lot more products.
Had a vacuum that required them to remove the cover to change out the belt.
 
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Manos,

Hadnt seen that... Wowzer! You have to know I like it!!

AND.. There are indeed two sides to every story, and what you said makes MUCHO sense.. Use a different or darker wood, it will be harder to match. Customers CAN be dishonest/shady and sometimes impossible to please. Handled wrong? YES! But may be more to it than Jeff being completely a democrat mascot..
 
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Agreed, although, he still is in the wrong for how he handled it, if you've ever been in any kind of sales then you know that the chances of dealing with people you would rather not are 100% and that, a happy client will bring 10 more but an unhappy one will make sure to drive away 100 more.

Sometimes you just gotta take one for the team regardless of how you feel about it deep in your gut.

Things he could have done differently/better:
1) Tell the client upfront he couldn't do the match 100% (preferable). Either have him agree to some leeway or not take it on at all.
2) Attempt to do it and once he failed, discount the (steep!) photomatch overcharge from the final instrument, saying that although they did their best and although the finish looked good, it nevertheless was off from what was requested.
3) After all this went down, contact the client themselves and offer to refund the photomatch overcharge (least preferable but still better than doing nothing).

So there were things he could have handled differently/arguably better, however that's still not as bad as originally described and I dislike lopsided recounts to a story.
 
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It sounds to me like the issues with Jeff Kiesel are getting a bit exaggerated. I was a bit confused on what happened to Carvin and what the whole Kiesel brand was all about. There is a video on Kiesel's YouTube channel that goes over that and the history of Carvin/Kiesel. Jeff seems like a guy that is enthusiastic and really cares about their company. Maybe he's a little headstrong, but at least he doesn't seem like a corporate stooge.

It also seems like the brand split is going well for them. A lot of younger metal guys are playing Kiesel guitars. I've seen a lot of them on YouTube. The music isn't really my thing, but the guitars look and sound good.

I'm surprised at all the heat Kiesel is getting.
 
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Everything else aside, it makes sense from his point of view.

Carvin was a word-play of Lowel Kiesel's two sons (at the time) Carson and Gavin and if memory serves, the name-change was due to get out of some deal or something. However it was his 3rd son, Mark that ended up with the guitars division instead, making the name Carvin sth that he obviously couldn't relate to, especially compared to the company's original name, his own.
 
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Slightly off topic but ok.

While I have neither love nor hate for Jeff, I was dumbfounded when I read about that color situation and after a quick google I found the thread you were referring to.

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/sev...-5-3-16-a.html

Just found out and read this. I don't think people should bash Kiesel too much for that. He could have been more polite, but a) should he expect customer to fail to explain what he wants when he is that exact with his order and b) should he allow refund, and make loss, because something that he couldn't anticipate.

If I understood right, he has ordered a custom guitar based on a photo, then chosen a different type maple top than in picture? That's it. I can see how anybody could misinterpret that just like Kiesel did.
 
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Let's be careful not to bash a company too much on here, but personal experiences are fine. I've heard weird things, too, but I have no experience dealing with the current company.
 
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It sounds to me like the issues with Jeff Kiesel are getting a bit exaggerated. I was a bit confused on what happened to Carvin and what the whole Kiesel brand was all about. There is a video on Kiesel's YouTube channel that goes over that and the history of Carvin/Kiesel. Jeff seems like a guy that is enthusiastic and really cares about their company. Maybe he's a little headstrong, but at least he doesn't seem like a corporate stooge.

It also seems like the brand split is going well for them. A lot of younger metal guys are playing Kiesel guitars. I've seen a lot of them on YouTube. The music isn't really my thing, but the guitars look and sound good.

I'm surprised at all the heat Kiesel is getting.

A lot of these horror stories come from sevenstring.org which has been a cesspool of misinformation, outright lies, and generalizations. I'm not saying that Kiesel hasn't messed up, but every company messes up. Sevenstring.org also has an inordinate amount of love for Strandberg and I've heard some stories about them too. Someone even had the audacity to post their experience on ss.org and got destroyed by the members there.
 
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I have to admit, I liked the Strandbergs better, but I can't say I 'get' their necks. Maybe I could adapt to it, but I am not buying a guitar I have to 'get used' to.
 
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I have to admit, I liked the Strandbergs better, but I can't say I 'get' their necks. Maybe I could adapt to it, but I am not buying a guitar I have to 'get used' to.
They have some funky square neck, don't they?
 
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