Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

[mxaniac]

I just ordered a Laney Cub 10, and popular consensus is change the tubes and speaker. I've already got some Ken Rads and GEs to try in it.

Not sure about speaker, Jensen Mod10-70 sounds popular but given the amps reputation for being dark maybe an Eminence 1058? I'm hoping for more of a Marshall than Fender tone from it. I'd appreciate any input.

 

[Blille]

Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

I just ordered a Laney Cub 10, and popular consensus is change the tubes and speaker. I've already got some Ken Rads and GEs to try in it.

Not sure about speaker, Jensen Mod10-70 sounds popular but given the amps reputation for being dark maybe an Eminence 1058? I'm hoping for more of a Marshall than Fender tone from it. I'd appreciate any input.

Check out the different flavors of Celestion G10s or for something cheaper the Eminence Ramrod or WGS Green Beret or Retro 10.

And check this out: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar/2007-05/msg02968.html

 

[mxaniac]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

Check out the different flavors of Celestion G10s or for something cheaper the Eminence Ramrod or WGS Green Beret or Retro 10.

And check this out: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar/2007-05/msg02968.html

Thanks for your help. I need to spend more time reading the technical specs and learning to equate them to reality because the descriptions don't help me. As an example some G10s have a rich low end while others are warm or others yet are deep. None of that marketing speak means anything to me. It's probably intended to invoke emotional responses but it just seems ambiguous to me.

 

[Blille]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

Thanks for your help. I need to spend more time reading the technical specs and learning to equate them to reality because the descriptions don't help me. As an example some G10s have a rich low end while others are warm or others yet are deep. None of that marketing speak means anything to me. It's probably intended to invoke emotional responses but it just seems ambiguous to me.

My pleasure.

Totally get it. YouTube videos can be helpful too but to a certain extent.

If there's a sound you like (i.e. a famous player on a famous song) we may be able to focus it further.

 

[mxaniac]

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My pleasure.

Totally get it. YouTube videos can be helpful too but to a certain extent.

If there's a sound you like (i.e. a famous player on a famous song) we may be able to focus it further.

What I have today is a 69 Guild Superstar, and a ~66 Kalanazoo Model 2. The Guild is a 40 watt 1x15 with 12AX7 preamp and 6L6 power tubes. It does fantastic glassy chimey cleans, love some of the sounds with a strat. I live on 5 acres but it's still too damned loud to crank up very high. Even if the neighbors didn't mind I do. While the cleans are great I just don't get off on the driven sound from pedals. The Kalamazoo is actually pretty awesome when played really dirty. It has a single EL84 power tube and 12AX7 preamp. I love the tube distortion, but it gets too muddy, lacks clarity. For a ~5 watt amp it's amazingly good but I want a bit more ooomph before all the clarity goes away. I did put a Jensen Mod10-50 in it but its not that different than the original speaker. A tad more aggressive and bright perhaps but it wasn't a night and day difference.

So I'm hoping to achieve something between the two amps. Given that the popular consensus is the HH speaker in the Laney Cub 10 has to go and the amp is already voiced dark I thought about the Eminence 1058 but I'm afraid to end up too much like the Guild. Given that the Laney is only 10 watts perhaps that's an unfounded concern. Maybe I'd love the Guild dimed if it weren't so loud.

Zep AC/DC Slash Greta Van Fleet sounds would all be great, but as a perennial beginner I certainly acknowledge most of the sound is through the fingers and I'll never have their fingers. Page on a tele with whatever amplifier doesn't sound like anyone else with a tele.

 

[Blille]

Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

What I have today is a 69 Guild Superstar, and a ~66 Kalanazoo Model 2. The Guild is a 40 watt 1x15 with 12AX7 preamp and 6L6 power tubes. It does fantastic glassy chimey cleans, love some of the sounds with a strat. I live on 5 acres but it's still too damned loud to crank up very high. Even if the neighbors didn't mind I do. While the cleans are great I just don't get off on the driven sound from pedals. The Kalamazoo is actually pretty awesome when played really dirty. It has a single EL84 power tube and 12AX7 preamp. I love the tube distortion, but it gets too muddy, lacks clarity. For a ~5 watt amp it's amazingly good but I want a bit more ooomph before all the clarity goes away. I did put a Jensen Mod10-50 in it but its not that different than the original speaker. A tad more aggressive and bright perhaps but it wasn't a night and day difference.

So I'm hoping to achieve something between the two amps. Given that the popular consensus is the HH speaker in the Laney Cub 10 has to go and the amp is already voiced dark I thought about the Eminence 1058 but I'm afraid to end up too much like the Guild. Given that the Laney is only 10 watts perhaps that's an unfounded concern. Maybe I'd love the Guild dimed if it weren't so loud.

Zep AC/DC Slash Greta Van Fleet sounds would all be great, but as a perennial beginner I certainly acknowledge most of the sound is through the fingers and I'll never have their fingers. Page on a tele with whatever amplifier doesn't sound like anyone else with a tele.

Very helpful. I think you would be the happiest with the warmth of the Celestion G10 Greenback (or WGS Green Beret for cheaper). That said, given your comment on the muddy tone, there's the more scoop of the V10, which might be in between. This video might help:

https://youtu.be/7RwVV-7LWes

 

[mxaniac]

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The Celestion in the video at times reminded me of a vocal sound effect the Beatles used. I always thought of it as sounding like an old telephone or small speaker, I think some refer to it as a megaphone sound. Honey Pie has it. In any case the WGS sounded more balanced to me, but I don't think that's what the video's creator heard so perhaps I need to get my ears calibrated, or the compression algorithm used by Youtube changes everything too much.

The amp just arrived, it's voiced extremely dark with humbuckers in the Low channel, better but a bit much in the Hi channel with some guitars. I need to run some more guitars through it and get a better overall idea of where I'm at. Pretty dark with a Custom Custom, not bad with a DP103.

Thanks again for your advice.

 

[Blille]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

The Celestion in the video at times reminded me of a vocal sound effect the Beatles used. I always thought of it as sounding like an old telephone or small speaker, I think some refer to it as a megaphone sound. Honey Pie has it. In any case the WGS sounded more balanced to me, but I don't think that's what the video's creator heard so perhaps I need to get my ears calibrated, or the compression algorithm used by Youtube changes everything too much.

The amp just arrived, it's voiced extremely dark with humbuckers in the Low channel, better but a bit much in the Hi channel with some guitars. I need to run some more guitars through it and get a better overall idea of where I'm at. Pretty dark with a Custom Custom, not bad with a DP103.

Thanks again for your advice.

No problem, best of luck!


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[Demanic]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

I think that amps like that are the ones that prompted the use of a low wind vintage PAF. Plenty of brightness in the pickup offsets the darkness of the amp.

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[mxaniac]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

I think that amps like that are the ones that prompted the use of a low wind vintage PAF. Plenty of brightness in the pickup offsets the darkness of the amp.

Makes sense given that that old DP103 sounds pretty good while a high gain ceramic not so much.

 

[mxaniac]

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Never ceases to amaze me what affect 1 change can make. I pulled out V1 (Ruby) and put in an old suspect Mangavox branded 12AX7. I say suspect because I had an issue with my Guild and replacing it helped. Anyway with the tube swap even though the Laney might be "dark" it still has clarity, it isn't muddy. Even with the old Super Distortions which aren't exactly the brightest pup in the world it didn't loose all the clarity at high gain. Big improvement, I didn't really expect 1 tube to make that much difference.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

The high gain ceramic sounds much better through a modern high gain amp.

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[Ascension]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

May want to check out the WGS ET 10. I have one in my Mesa Subway Rocket and love it for beefy rock tones and also great cleans in this rig. Live from a gig a couple weeks back just the little 20 watt 1/10 combo with a mic on her.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

Another clip this time running unmiced same rig.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

Never ceases to amaze me what affect 1 change can make. I pulled out V1 (Ruby) and put in an old suspect Mangavox branded 12AX7. I say suspect because I had an issue with my Guild and replacing it helped. Anyway with the tube swap even though the Laney might be "dark" it still has clarity, it isn't muddy. Even with the old Super Distortions which aren't exactly the brightest pup in the world it didn't loose all the clarity at high gain. Big improvement, I didn't really expect 1 tube to make that much difference.

Feel you. Pickups tubes speakers ect can change a LOT in your overall tones. Make one change then have to tweak a bunch of other things to get it all to work together again like you want. Have been there many times! Good luck getting it all dialed in!

 

[Demanic]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

^^
Truth be told, many of us would be bored with just plug-n- play.

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[mxaniac]

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^^
Truth be told, many of us would be bored with just plug-n- play.

Therein lies my problem. As a mechanical engineer, self professed gear head, and tinkerer of all things I can't learn to actually PLAY the guitar because I'm screwing around with the gear all the %&*# time.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Laney Cub 10 speaker for Marshall sound.

^^
Truth be told, many of us would be bored with just plug-n- play.

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Ain't that WHY most of us are on here?

 

[Demanic]

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It helps if you look at playing as just another set of dials to lock in.

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[mxaniac]

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I swapped the Ruby 6V6 power tubes with Crosley labeled tubes that I believe are RCA greyglass tubes. The Crosley have a much sweeter breakup, but you loose a lot of headroom and they aren't as bright. I'll have to re-evaluate after the speaker swap but right now I think the brighter Ruby tubes are better for this amp, at least when you're getting your breakup from the pre-amp tubes which for me is more typical.