Speaker Dilemma

I have a closed back 212 with Celestion G12t-75's and sounds killer. I put my JSX 212 combo on top of it which is open back and the stock speakers have more mids and the scooped t75's fill out the rest. Love that combo
 
The knockdown cab is $147 (was $139 until a couple of weeks ago) then the cost of speakers. You can get Vintage 30s or G12H30s for $99/each plus shipping from Avatar on Reverb right now (total cost so far $375ish), then you still have to assemble the cab, wire up the speakers, cover the cab et al. Meanwhile the HB 212 is less than $345 including shipping. :laugh2:
 
ehdwuld said:
if you dont like the V30 mid spike
you may want the WGS Veteran 30

I have both and the Veteran 30 is loaded in the cab right now
it sounds like the V30 but with out the mid spike
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Like the Vet ok but prefer the Retro 30 WGS. Had both in cabs the Retro cut through a lot better . I like the Vin 30s in a closed back cab a lot but REALLY prefer the WGS Retro 30 in a open back cab or in a Combo.
if you go with a 10 look HARD at the WGS ET 10. Have one in my little Mesa Subway Rocket and it blows soundmens minds how good that little amp sounds miced in the FOH!
The little Mesa with the WGS ET 10 at super low stage volume miced with a SM 57.
 
Another clip with the little tiny Subway Rocket with the WGS ET 10. When we were setting up for our set several made some snippy comments about my "little bitty amp" and got shut up hard as soon as we hit the stage and they heard it in the mix LOL!
 
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Oldfart_Shredman said:
I see alot of cabs with a V30 and a G12T75. Is that a good combination as well, or is that more for the pure metal enthusiast?
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As a pure metal enthusiast, I want the best clearest clean sound that I can get as a foundation for ultimate distorted sound.
I have a ported 2x12 loaded with an Eminence Texas Heat and Swamp Thang. 150 watts a piece and I love the tone. No mid spike, to my ear they're almost flat when combined. But not a dead flat, just more of a natural neutral response. What you put into them you get out, just much louder.

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Oldfart_Shredman said:
Hello all Seymour Forum-ites,

I'm hoping for some input on speaker choices.

Having grown up deep in the heart of Peavey land my amp/speaker choices were mostly rather limited. I've had a couple nice Fenders (Super Reverb 410 and a little Musicmaster bass combo), a VTM back in the 80s (very underrated amplifier) a Hughes & Kettner Tube 50 with a 5150 412, a Plexi homebrew that never really turned out right that I got some nice Webers for: 2 Blue Dogs and 2 Silver Bells.

While I still have the 5150 cab and the Weber 412 I'm downgrading to either a 212 or sticking with my present 410 cabinet. Getting older is hard with 412s!

In the 410 cab I have 2 Eminence 1508s and 2 Jensen Jet Electric Lightnings. They sound good but still feel something missing. I also have a 110 cab with a 30w G10 Greenback and I really llike the way it sounds, but it's also missing some agression in the mids.

So as of the last few months I got an amp with plenty of Marshall inspired grind, but have never experienced the usual Celestions associated with Marshall grind besides the 10" Greenback.

Time's running out on being able to make equipment purchases as continuous medical concerns keep coming on with age, yet I have no idea what a Marshall sound is like through Vintage 30s or G12H30s (Anniversary or otherwise) and then now there are 10" versions of the G10 Greenbacks and G10 Vintage (30s) plus some Celestion left over stock easily found from supplying amp production (thinking Egnater) that are labeled as custom drivers yet have the moniker of G10 Vintage (1065s, elite, etc).

With Vintage 30s I always hear about an annoying upper mid spike and would hate to pirchase some and have listening fatigue every time I play. I've always loved the recorded sound of Vintage 30s but the mid spike could be EQed out at the studio quite easily.

I've always been partial to a firm, tight bass and almost all mids kind of speaker sound with just a light sheen of sizzle on top.

Am I thinking of a V30 here?
If not a V30, what speaker is it that I might be thinking of?

Many thanks in advance....
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The V30 and original version of the V30, the Marshall/Celestion Vintage speaker, often get that mid spike reputation but I think it's nonsense. Celestion describe the V30 as transparent and balanced and that's how I describe the Marshall/Celestion Vintage speaker. The V30 actually has more low mids and less upper mids than the original.

The speaker has the heavy (Celestion's biggest) ceramic magnet which brings that transparent and tight sound capable of producing any genre of music without coloring or screwing up the tone.

If you're looking for more mids the Creamback 75 has it in spades. It also has the heavy magnet capable of handling high wattage easily.

I hear you regarding the 4x12s. A closed back 2x12 will never match the spread of a 4x12 but the best compromise may be an oversized 2x12 like the Bogner OS 2x12. It has been called the best sounding 2x12 by many.

I would never use anything other than 12" guitar speakers. This may be taboo to say but every other size compromises the tone of an electric guitar frequency range.
 
Oversized 212 closed-back with a v30 and cl80.
If you were all about metal then I'd do a k100 and v30.

Stalk Avatar's website until they have a good sale, or free shipping and/or a deal like "contemporary design black tolex mono cab only. you pick the speakers", they have stuff like that now and then.

It's well worth it to just wait and save for a higher quality cab to go with the great speakers.

https://avatarspeakers.com/shop/guitar/g212-signature/
 
Oldfart_Shredman said:
This is the first I've ever heard of the G12H30 Anniversary sounding harsh.
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Well this will be your second time as have one and also find it bright and harsh. Have tried it in several cabs and with several amps in every case have found it bright harsh and lacking bottom. It was the stock speaker in a Egnater Tweeker cab I picked up and that cab is now running a old 1990's GT 75. I;m not a big fan. Have Vin 30's in my PRS 2/12 deep, a WGS Retro 30 in my open back Blackstar 1/12 and the GT 75 in the little grab and go Tweaker cab.
 
I've decided to go with one Vintage 30 and one G12H30 Anniversary, and have also been looking at the possibility of financing a really nice 212, or a moderate priced one.

How do these more premium 212 cabs stack up against each other?

EVH 212
(lowest price of all the cabs listed here at $500 and the tilt back legs and amp head mounting system is enticing).

Friedman Horizontal/Vertical 212
Soldano Horizontal/Vertical 212
(Both of these have a small slit/rectangular port at the bottom of the back panel)

Orange Closed Back 212 (ugly looking cab in my opinion, supposed to be very well constructed)
Victory 212

and three cabs I'm very curious about:
Fuchs Buzz Feitin cab
Silver Jubilee 212 Horizontal/Vertical (which has Vintage 30s rated at 70 watt each)
Sound City 212 with Fane speakers that has a baffle support brace designed by Steve Fryette.
 
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getting a brand cab includes speakers
these you may like or have to change to your preferred ones
then you have to Craigslist the old ones if you decide to move on

an empty cab allows you to load your own and is usually less expensive

if you are unsure if you want a closed or open back,
chose a convertible style that allows you to close off the back

I chose a Jet city cab because it was
A. convertible
B. had microphone emulation on the back
this lets me just plug in a mic cable and it gives me mic'd amp sound with no bleed through onstage

I also wanted a 2x12
but decided to get two 1x12s instead
both are convertible
one has a cutout for a 15 inch speaker and an adapter for the 12 that is currently in it
it is much more flexible

getting a horizontal cab and adding feet to the side makes it vertical

on my second custom cab ( one is the Jet City mentioned earlier)
I tilted the baffle back so that it faces upwards as it will be the bottom of the "stack"

getting a customized empty cab from a builder will allow you to spec it out the way you want
 
ehdwuld said:
getting a brand cab includes speakers
these you may like or have to change to your preferred ones
then you have to Craigslist the old ones if you decide to move on

an empty cab allows you to load your own and is usually less expensive

if you are unsure if you want a closed or open back,
chose a convertible style that allows you to close off the back

I chose a Jet city cab because it was
A. convertible
B. had microphone emulation on the back
this lets me just plug in a mic cable and it gives me mic'd amp sound with no bleed through onstage

I also wanted a 2x12
but decided to get two 1x12s instead
both are convertible
one has a cutout for a 15 inch speaker and an adapter for the 12 that is currently in it
it is much more flexible

getting a horizontal cab and adding feet to the side makes it vertical

on my second custom cab ( one is the Jet City mentioned earlier)
I tilted the baffle back so that it faces upwards as it will be the bottom of the "stack"

getting a customized empty cab from a builder will allow you to spec it out the way you want
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All good points and I definitely hadn't considered a Jet City cab.

I definitely want a closed back cab (and all of these are closed back).
With the exception of one Victory cab I will have to purchase a speaker and sell the other which should be no problem being a brand new speaker.

I've given thought about the custom cab route unfortunately there would be no financing available for that.

The EVH cab is the least expensive of these and is in what I call the workhorse range of products (which tends to be where I live equipment wise).

I'm wondering if there would be any inherent advantages to spending more for an Orange/Soldano/Friedman/Victory/Sound City cab over the EVH.
 
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Oldfart_Shredman said:
I'd love to do that, but I only have financing for the models I quoted above.
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You said the evh was $500? That's what the Avatar 212s go at. ($489-99)
They have a blemished (one tiny ding) traditional (12" depth) 212 for $439 and you can still pick the grill, logo, speakers, jack ect,,..


I have one of the 212 sigs and it's a beast cab,,,,,,much better cab than most of those cheapo scab-cabs.
 
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