Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

[B00B-screamer]

Hi people long time reader first post. Always vast information here I was hoping you could share some knowledge.

I know about pickups. A bit, just how they work and that’s all. I have two black winter humbuckers installed on my 2013 les Paul custom and kind of regret replacing they 490 series. It’s got a trembucker Black winter and a regular six string one.

The sound has always been a bit thin on bridge position and aside from insane output I’m not happy with the fullness or harmonics. I’ve been reading about achieving distortion thru amps and pedals and would rather try that than a full blown squelch machine. With gain stacking pedals it’s tricjy not getting hiss and the like, I don’t mind powerful pickups but I’m looking at hotrodded humbuckers because I do like the way the jb sounds and I figured I would try the combo with jb and jazz single coils to fit one humbucker(the hotrodded)

My questions are as follows -

I would like a fairly clear, harmonic fullest frequency(as full as I can without it fighting itself for space) and less wooly, less dull woody sounding neck pickup I hardly use it because while it’s ok for solos and some instances it tends to get dark and dull, muddy even when playing big chords (huge bucket head fan) so big ringing jazz chords or even palm muted sometimes sound less than stellar and for a lp custom it deserves the best. I’ve seen boutique pickups going for 500. To me that is just not a thought I can afford to entertain.

So what would you recommend to pair with the hotrodded and I’m not complete sold on it with the weaker jazz but I’m indecisive *, I’ve looked at the sh1-5 I do know I’d like at least an alnico 4 these are my first ceramics and I don’t know how to judge them. All the Duncan website clips for high output sound more finally there and present I’m mixing guitar and electronic stuff so the bass freq’s Are more full than most compositions.

I do read about a lot of pickups flat out narrowing or cutting off big chunks of the aural spectrum as far as freq’s Go. I’d like to retain ad much of my guitars natural sound as possible yet get versatile sounds from jazz to metal.

Am I just expecting too much? I’ve looked at 59/custom hybrid, Pegasus, sentient, pearly gates and the clips of PG sounds good but I’m doubting if it’s got the beef for modern metal(I don’t downtune)

Does the 500t fit in neck position? I know most go with low output for neck but I’d like at least a bit of beef.

If anyone is curious as to what I’m going for look at youtube buckethead clips:
Pike 157 upside down skyway
Pike 90
Celery(overdrive/distortion)
Pike 274(hi gain,cleans)
Twisted branches(hi gain)

And last but not least, soothsayer cleans (distorted passages rock too)

Sorry for the novel. Thanks for taking the time to help!

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

I think for the neck spot the Slash pickup might just fit the bill for you.... so stay with me for just a minute.

Slash's original LP, the Derrig copy, was very bright. That's why Slash liked the APH so much... it's smooth and darker, giving his LP the perfect balance between bright and warm. When Gibson made his signature LP, the wood was different and the guitars darker. Now the APH sounds bad. So Seymour deigns a pickup to make the darker guitar sound like the brighter guitar with the APH.

Now, something else happens with that pickup. In other darker guitars it gives them the bite and attack they're missing, without being wooly. I recently put a Slash set in a darker sounding USA Dean Hardtail and the neck sounds sublime. It's bright without being piercing and it's smooth without losing definition or sounding dark; plus it has more power than other neck pickups in the normal PAF range, so the sound is more present and stands out better. It's really made an impression on me. And it will do FAR more sounds than just the Slash thing. It's just a great rock/metal pickup that will really do most things in the rock/metal genre very well. Highly recommended over the Jazz, IMO of course.

Also, if you're not dead set on the JB, the Custom might be a better choice. The Gibson Custom guitar generally has a good low end and plenty of mids. It can gave nice top end, if you have one with a maple cap. With an all HOG Les Paul (all mahogany), the top end can be less pronounced so the mids really take over the sound. The JB is a very upper mid heavy pickup. Now, that can be a great thing as it cuts through the mix really well, but often times people write about the problems they have with the JB in Les Paul's. The mid frequencies of the JB really seem to stifle the natural tone of the guitar. Keep in mind that this is very guitar specific, as some people absolutely love the JB in their LP and it sounds fantastic.

If you don't like the JB, or want to try something more balanced, the Custom may be the answer. It doesn't sound like a normal heavy distortion pickup. Seymour's description of it being an overwound PAF is very accurate. Now, it will do very heavy sounds extremely well, but it retains a clarity and balance that some other high output pickups lack. It doesn't compress quite as much. If you dial the gain back, it is fantastic for classic rock and classic metal, but crank it up and the Custom will do whatever you ask. Just something to think about.

Obviously the JB can do heavy, as Dave Mustaine has shown for years. But if the JB doesn't work for you, think about the Custom. It all comes down to how your Custom LP sounds and matches with the JB, or doesn't.

Good luck.

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

So you are saying go with the hotrodded one (which is basically a jb) for the bridge and slash or custom for neck?

Do you mean the 59 custom I’m still trying to remember the model names cause u know there is like a custom custom custom or some hilarity, I can see the slash going well in the neck. I think they are alnico 2 but the winding makes up for it, I’d prefer to get my gain post pickups anyway because I’m a pedal nut. I guess my next question is amp head. I currently have just a grandmeister 36 from Hughes and kettner. It’s unique and nice but not the kind of tones I enjoy(basically for recording direct) so my budget is sub 1000$ and needs recording and attenuation but I really wanted a peavey(fender) evh 5150 iii but they are not variable wattage not have any recording, I do enjoy the harmonic distortion of orange but again no recording out. I do have a pedal from orange called bax bangeetar that has speaker emulated out the recordings weren’t super impressive.

Guess I’m getting off track

Do you know if the slash ones are 4 wires? My LP is setup for split coils and eventually I wanna get the new 5 way toggle setup. Better check to see if the jb/hotrodded is configurable for that, duo also like a kill switch but I think I’d like to keep more holes away from my LP although I think it’s got some kind of weird chambering(not sure if it’s the chambers ir Swiss cheese method). About the last mod I want is the saddle that helps intonation maybe a treble bleed then after pickups it should be worthy of its name(you’d think 3500$ guitar they’d put more than a few hundred worth of pickups in������

 

[orpheo]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

NEVER a custom in the neck.

Slash neck pickup is not 4 conductor. you can do it yourself if you have the guts but if you've never taken apart a humbucker, I don't recommend doing so.

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Ya I don’t have a soldering iron anyhow. I drink way too much caffeine to be able to. Why not a custom in the neck can you elaborate?

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

I'm recommending the Slash for the neck. You can order it with 4 conductor wire for no extra cost if you want that. I recommend the Custom for the Bridge in case you hate the JB in your LP Custom.

I would put Custom/Slash in your guitar for what you're asking for. That's just my opinion of course. Like I said, the JB is usually a love it or hate it pickup in a Les Paul.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

I wouldn't think a Custom in the neck would be a good idea, either. You'd have a hell of a time finding a bridge pickup that balances, and there would be way too much compression. But hey, there are people who use JBs in the neck, but I can't say those people ever had tone that struck me.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

that being said...

oy oy oy, difficult questions. Here's my two cents about it.

Slash pickup: not my favorite, at all. I find it too warm for my needs. there's a honk in the midrange I cant' get rid off, especially in les pauls.

the custom, the Sh5, is not one of my favorites at all either. I find the feel a bit stiff, the JB for example feels much smoother, much more liquid. I absolutely hate the super-fatness of the SH5. It's a big 'no no' in my book. The Custom5 is much nicer to my ears. A bit more crunchy feel, more bite in the top end, much better harmonics and the slight midscoop brings back the fullness in the tone because the LP itself is so superfat. Compared to the Black Winter, the Custom is a bit more open sounding but the voicing is imho fairly similar, however, the feel is a bit more chewy than the BW.

The JB is great but NEVER in a les paul, to my ears. It was made to go in a tele and I feel that's the place it feels most at home in. A strat second best. The ash body of Fender style guitars works better with the upper mids of a JB. Jazz same deal. There are guy who have had great successes with the JB/Jazz set in a LP but I always found it lacking. The JB has the same feel, kinda, as the BW, but the BW is tighter, more 'even' sounding.

So, yeah, what would I recommend?

Bridge

Alternative 8. This pickup sounds HUGE. It's big, bold, amazing harmonics. it's got a supertight bottom end, it's got the roaring huge midrange that will waltz over the mix without being obnoxious. The top end is singing without being muffled.

SH6n. Even though this one is nowadays being marketed as a neck pickup, this originally used to be a bridge pickup, and a great one at that. It is a bit cleaner than the Alternative 8, a bit more attack and more 'grit'. Very bold in its voicing with a lot of attack. This pickup is like an EMG81 but passive, slightly less hot and so much more musical.

Pegasus. Imagine a black winter but cooler, a bit more sizzle in the top end, tighter bottom and more crunch in the midrange, without being overly idiotic, like the Nazgul.

PATB2. If you wanna give this pickup a go, despite of its looks, you will not be disappointed. It's got such a sweet, roaring, rolling tone. Harmonics jump off the fretboard, cleans up really well. The low end is tight but not like concrete. The midrange is slightly scooped but has so much definition you wouldn't notice it at first. Yeah, I really feel this pickup is being underserved.

Neck

Sentient. Sweet tones, cleans up really well but has enough juice and power to hold its own with hot bridge pickups. Best of all: how this pickup works with the tonepot. With the tone pot full open you get so much clarity and warmth, but dial the tone down you are being served a syruppy, thick, juicy tone, ranging from Santana to the 'Woman Tone' and everything in between. Perhaps the best neck pickup Seymour Duncan makes.




That being said, here a few suggestions other than SD.

Fluence Classics. Perhaps the most versatile, toneful pickup set around. Yes, they need a battery but don't think for one second theyre like anything you have tried before. THey're absolutely NOT. They sound so incredibly huge and toneful. If these pickups deliver a bad sound it's because the guitar is sh!t, not because the picups suck.

Bareknuckle Rebel Yell in the bridge, Mule in the neck. Instant rock sounds that will cover your ground from well.... the earliest days of rock to now.

AxesRUS in the UK. those guys make the best passive humbuckers hands down. If you ask for a humbucker with one Ethereal coil and one Hot Iron coil, you will be served the best passive hot humbucker out there. It's got the bite, the articulation you want of a high output humbucker for a bridge position. It's got a midrange that will make your leads, even up high, sing and soar. but the chunky, tight low end and cutting high end will make for a biting, attacking rhythm that doesn't get shrill. If you get a Laudanum for the neck you are being served a neck pickup that's so sweet, so clear and amazing, you won't ever think of anything else. It's got a singing, slightly chimy quality that works so well for cleans as well as super high gain.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Ya I don’t have a soldering iron anyhow. I drink way too much caffeine to be able to. Why not a custom in the neck can you elaborate?

simply put, it's a mismatch. The custom has a 43 gauge wire. So, to wind a bobbin that will give a decent tone, wound to its sweet spot, you are getting up to 7k per coil (7000 turns I believe??). That gives the result that you simply loose so much of the clarity, harmonics, dynamics and characteristics you need for a neck pickup, simply because of the wire. the more wire, because it is thinner than the slash wire or any otehr PAF, will result is a loss of those frequencies because of the increased capacitance of the coil. To make things worse, the ceramic magnet is just too powerful for a neck pickup with that wire. It can be done to great effect but I would never ever go that way.

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Ok that all makes sense. So many choices and I hate not being able to try them out. Audio clips on the web leave too many variables, honestly I don’t care what they look like as long as they can pull of reasonably similar range and frequencies as the clips I posted about buckethead.

I’d rather dial in any cut or boost to a certain extent, I don’t mind a hop here or there as long as it’s not so extreme I can’t dial it out or more in. I have read good about sentient not so much for the fluency ones. They do intrigue me though. The original reason I was going for a himbucker consisting of jb/Jazz was that since I have split coil I would get more variety of tones more so than if it’s just the same all around when I use single coil mode.

There was some brand I was looking at for 300$ I forget the name it was silver something and their pups were obviously silver. I have heard the slash was honky as well but I chalked it up to a bad tonewood/pup combo.

I appreciate the advice but it’s not any easier just more questions which is good I want to be informed.

I wasn’t strictly sticking to Seymour Duncan I was trying to find that silver face or whatever brand. Aside from listening to clips do you have any tricks to approximate what it would be to with my axe? All the high output pups I’ve sent are always tested with defined distortion and it angers me. Worst kind of comparison you could want

Let’s try this, since I know the tone I want and I suppose if you’ve heard my clips and know guitar(likely better than I) which ones (for both slots) would have the widest frequency range and are lower output than black winter.

The whole reason besides the tone is I think I can get better tones with a driving amp from pedals than just a low gain amp with massively hot pickups. I know you lose definition with hotter pickups.

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the 59/custom, 500T from the reviews I’ve read they are glowing while the alternate 8 to my ears definitely has definition and punch but the clip on Seymour Duncan website sounded like it had a lot of upper mids.

Personally I prefer a mid push around the lower kids for bridge and upper kids for the neck. I was told this is backwards but to me I think it would balance out the traditionally beefy and wooly neck pickup.

Those ones from the UK do you know of anyone that uses them in a LP type guitar?

What are you guys’ experiences with les Paul’s and/or the pickups you recommended

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Also what about the signature Dave mustache thrash factor? The specs look decent it’s got a bit of mid scoop I’ve admired his tubes but not as much as me bucketheads tone. I have a hard time finding out if it’s his guitar or amp that’s responsible for the majority of his sounds bd. I know both affects it but to what degree?

 

[orpheo]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Let's put it like this...

I have tried every Seymour Duncan, BKP, majority of Dimarzio and hundreds more. I build my own les Pauls. My recommendations are because I tried it all.

Drive from pedals or amp? Depends on your gear. With my revv generator 120 I don't need a pedal. My victory v100 needs some.

Hot pickups aren't perse to drive an amp. They are hot to facilitate a voice, a tone, a MOJO, a vibe.

High output doesn't necessarily mean loss of definition, clarity and tonal integrity. But Seymour Duncan doesn't make great high output pickups (humbuckers) in my opinion because they categorically refuse to use asymmetrical coils. That will give you the high output you want but with a dynamic response, harmonic content and width of spectrum that just can't be reached otherwise.

But that's not my problem anymore. I use what I need, hybridize as I go and get amazing results.

It's not a matter of bad parts. It's a matter of not combining what they have in stock and thus creating brand new models that improve the status quo that's in place.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Also what about the signature Dave mustache thrash factor? The specs look decent it’s got a bit of mid scoop I’ve admired his tubes but not as much as me bucketheads tone. I have a hard time finding out if it’s his guitar or amp that’s responsible for the majority of his sounds bd. I know both affects it but to what degree?

The thrash factor is a slightly tweaked jb jazz set. His tone comes for so much out his amp.

 

[Agramal]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Let's put it like this...

I have tried every Seymour Duncan, BKP, majority of Dimarzio and hundreds more. I build my own les Pauls. My recommendations are because I tried it all.

Drive from pedals or amp? Depends on your gear. With my revv generator 120 I don't need a pedal. My victory v100 needs some.

Hot pickups aren't perse to drive an amp. They are hot to facilitate a voice, a tone, a MOJO, a vibe.

High output doesn't necessarily mean loss of definition, clarity and tonal integrity. But Seymour Duncan doesn't make great high output pickups (humbuckers) in my opinion because they categorically refuse to use asymmetrical coils. That will give you the high output you want but with a dynamic response, harmonic content and width of spectrum that just can't be reached otherwise.

But that's not my problem anymore. I use what I need, hybridize as I go and get amazing results.

It's not a matter of bad parts. It's a matter of not combining what they have in stock and thus creating brand new models that improve the status quo that's in place.

So what pickups do you like to put in your Les Pauls?

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Ok so Orpheo, for reasonable price say a set under 2 it 300$ it a mix and match set either way you would recommend what then? I used to have stock 499s that came with my guitar I had an ibanez tsa 15h and cab, the black winters at the time of replacing them sounded brighter and did have more definition but I can’t help but wonder if I went overboard, it’s olastered all over the pickup info that they are extreme and it could be my ignorance but since they were originally made for seven string would they necessarily cut any corners?

Back to my amp I tried gain stacking with it and it never got “there” so now with the Hughes and kettner and Yama THR100HD both are nowhere near the sounds I’ve hard from nutckethead live and have an idea similarly in my head.

My problem is I’ve not got enough money to go buy a Friedman or Mesa maybe I could get a new Marshall dsl20hr

I understand I was misinformed, blame sites like reverb,guitar player and such for the misinformation thank you for explaining it to me , I don’t like going around not knowing what I’m talking about. These are the first high output pups I’ve had aside from my old Ibanez jem.

Perhaps you could point me in the way of your opinion about my tone quest? I’ve tried chase bliss brothers, ocd, tubes reamers, eqd palisades on and on. With a good amp I could get there but it’s nt practical nor affordable since all I do is record I don’t need a 50 watt evh 5150 III, I’ve been trying to spring for a fractal ax8 but they are more than an amp would be

Setting aside my quest for hi gain then my opinion still stands about the black winters. I don’t do that kind of metal I’m more prog like maiden, buckethead etc.

So I guess if the output on pups have nothing to do with the gain it’s just a marketing lie saying it’s born of Scandinavian metal and made for it. I don’t give a hoot about Scandinavian metal nor anything calling itself such the only current band I listen to besides buckethead was Metallica and they stopped being good a while ago.
I guess I’d categorize it as wanting to be able to do heavy yet cleans up like a box and I do like me some kids just not at the sake of other frequencies.

If I got one mid scooper and one mid pushed would that balance it out?

I know if I don’t take someone’s advice I’d pick a mismatched pair that sounded like a butt bugle

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

I never like saying anything negative about any of these great pickups, but the Winter set is the only set I yanked in 3 days. For me at least, there was just way too much of everything to the point of harshness. I could have kept the neck, but that bridge Ughh. Off to fleabay. The Alt8 is a killer pickup IMO. I really like the Pegasus too. I can even gel with the Nazgul on occasion, but not that Winter bridge. Played with the height, the amp EQ, nope, gone, wasnt for me. That Alt8 will slam AND sing. Just sounds HUGE in a good way, a great way really. I have mine with a Demon neck and every time I pickup that guitar, I get lost for hours. Kick you in the teeth and sing on leads. KILLER

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

I never like saying anything negative about any of these great pickups, but the Winter set is the only set I yanked in 3 days. For me at least, there was just way too much of everything to the point of harshness. I could have kept the neck, but that bridge Ughh. Off to fleabay. The Alt8 is a killer pickup IMO. I really like the Pegasus too. I can even gel with the Nazgul on occasion, but not that Winter bridge. Played with the height, the amp EQ, nope, gone, wasnt for me. That Alt8 will slam AND sing. Just sounds HUGE in a good way, a great way really. I have mine with a Demon neck and every time I pickup that guitar, I get lost for hours. Kick you in the teeth and sing on leads. KILLER

Ahah! I’m not going crazy! Vindication

What guitar are you using. Did you have to dial out anything from alt 8? The recordings on this site sounded a bit upper mid heavy but I don’t trust the recordings. Totally different than the JB

Originally I was gonna go sentient and alt 8 till I heard the demo on Seymour Duncan website

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

that being said...

oy oy oy, difficult questions. Here's my two cents about it.

Slash pickup: not my favorite, at all. I find it too warm for my needs. there's a honk in the midrange I cant' get rid off, especially in les pauls.

the custom, the Sh5, is not one of my favorites at all either. I find the feel a bit stiff, the JB for example feels much smoother, much more liquid. I absolutely hate the super-fatness of the SH5. It's a big 'no no' in my book. The Custom5 is much nicer to my ears. A bit more crunchy feel, more bite in the top end, much better harmonics and the slight midscoop brings back the fullness in the tone because the LP itself is so superfat. Compared to the Black Winter, the Custom is a bit more open sounding but the voicing is imho fairly similar, however, the feel is a bit more chewy than the BW.

The JB is great but NEVER in a les paul, to my ears. It was made to go in a tele and I feel that's the place it feels most at home in. A strat second best. The ash body of Fender style guitars works better with the upper mids of a JB. Jazz same deal. There are guy who have had great successes with the JB/Jazz set in a LP but I always found it lacking. The JB has the same feel, kinda, as the BW, but the BW is tighter, more 'even' sounding.

So, yeah, what would I recommend?

Bridge

Alternative 8. This pickup sounds HUGE. It's big, bold, amazing harmonics. it's got a supertight bottom end, it's got the roaring huge midrange that will waltz over the mix without being obnoxious. The top end is singing without being muffled.

SH6n. Even though this one is nowadays being marketed as a neck pickup, this originally used to be a bridge pickup, and a great one at that. It is a bit cleaner than the Alternative 8, a bit more attack and more 'grit'. Very bold in its voicing with a lot of attack. This pickup is like an EMG81 but passive, slightly less hot and so much more musical.

Pegasus. Imagine a black winter but cooler, a bit more sizzle in the top end, tighter bottom and more crunch in the midrange, without being overly idiotic, like the Nazgul.

PATB2. If you wanna give this pickup a go, despite of its looks, you will not be disappointed. It's got such a sweet, roaring, rolling tone. Harmonics jump off the fretboard, cleans up really well. The low end is tight but not like concrete. The midrange is slightly scooped but has so much definition you wouldn't notice it at first. Yeah, I really feel this pickup is being underserved. BTW, I could not agree more with all your opinions.

Neck

Sentient. Sweet tones, cleans up really well but has enough juice and power to hold its own with hot bridge pickups. Best of all: how this pickup works with the tonepot. With the tone pot full open you get so much clarity and warmth, but dial the tone down you are being served a syruppy, thick, juicy tone, ranging from Santana to the 'Woman Tone' and everything in between. Perhaps the best neck pickup Seymour Duncan makes.




That being said, here a few suggestions other than SD.

Fluence Classics. Perhaps the most versatile, toneful pickup set around. Yes, they need a battery but don't think for one second theyre like anything you have tried before. THey're absolutely NOT. They sound so incredibly huge and toneful. If these pickups deliver a bad sound it's because the guitar is sh!t, not because the picups suck.

Bareknuckle Rebel Yell in the bridge, Mule in the neck. Instant rock sounds that will cover your ground from well.... the earliest days of rock to now.

AxesRUS in the UK. those guys make the best passive humbuckers hands down. If you ask for a humbucker with one Ethereal coil and one Hot Iron coil, you will be served the best passive hot humbucker out there. It's got the bite, the articulation you want of a high output humbucker for a bridge position. It's got a midrange that will make your leads, even up high, sing and soar. but the chunky, tight low end and cutting high end will make for a biting, attacking rhythm that doesn't get shrill. If you get a Laudanum for the neck you are being served a neck pickup that's so sweet, so clear and amazing, you won't ever think of anything else. It's got a singing, slightly chimy quality that works so well for cleans as well as super high gain.

I agree. I already commented,but hate to say, I also took out my Slash set. Maybe I just am not an A2 guy. The neck was fine, but for me at least, a great sounding clean pickup, like for jazz or something. That Gibson Slash LP has a PATB set, just another vastly under the radar pickup around here. But thats in an expensive Gibson, my Alt8/Screamin Demon punches you in the chest harder. Demon is a killer neck pickup, thanks to all here who steered me to it!!

 

[Adieu]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

Fullness, harmonics?

Super Distortion + PAF 36th

 

[B00B-screamer]

Re: Les Paul custom replacement for black winter

I agree. I already commented,but hate to say, I also took out my Slash set. Maybe I just am not an A2 guy. The neck was fine, but for me at least, a great sounding clean pickup, like for jazz or something. That Gibson Slash LP has a PATB set, just another vastly under the radar pickup around here. But thats in an expensive Gibson, my Alt8/Screamin Demon punches you in the chest harder. Demon is a killer neck pickup, thanks to all here who steered me to it!!

Yes I’m sure your guitar owns us all, alas since there is no audio clips no vindication for yoooouuuuuu!!