hi I am trying to build a guitar with a les paul wiring I want it to have a p90 a humbucker wired like a les paul with out of phase switching for the p90 volume and split coil for the humbucker then I decided it would be cool to add a 6 way varitone to the guitar but I wanted it to work with both pickups I have never used a guitar with a varitone from the diagrams I could find it looks like it only works with one pot is there a way to make it work with both pickups like maybe adding another switch a diagram would be helpful thank you
les paul with phase split coil and varitone
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beaubrummels
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
Individual pickup controls are wired before the pickup selector switch. Master controls are wired after the pickup selector switch.
Individual pickup controls are wired before the pickup selector switch. Master controls are wired after the pickup selector switch.
Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
I want the vaitone to work with both pickups. it is les paul style wiring with 6 way maybe five way varitone. wanted to know how I can do that, using another switch maybe. I also was going to have a push pull for coil split and a push pull for out of phase. can anyone make a diagram for me. pickups are a humbucker bridge and p90 for neck. both push pulls are the volumes
I want the vaitone to work with both pickups. it is les paul style wiring with 6 way maybe five way varitone. wanted to know how I can do that, using another switch maybe. I also was going to have a push pull for coil split and a push pull for out of phase. can anyone make a diagram for me. pickups are a humbucker bridge and p90 for neck. both push pulls are the volumes
Jacew
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
I don't have time to draw anything, but since varitone seems to have only 2 wires, lead and ground, you can just wire it between the output lead of pickup switch and ground and it should work for both. Out-of-phase and coil-split wirings can be found from SD wiring diagram. Just put those pieces together, and you'll have usable diagram.
I don't have time to draw anything, but since varitone seems to have only 2 wires, lead and ground, you can just wire it between the output lead of pickup switch and ground and it should work for both. Out-of-phase and coil-split wirings can be found from SD wiring diagram. Just put those pieces together, and you'll have usable diagram.
vinnie1971
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les paul with phase split coil and varitone
Then there's true bypass to consider with the varitone. I'd go with Ben's true bypass or use a tone control as master tone and tellace the other tone for varitone but use the varitone to select the capacitor values for the tone control and the tone controls the depth. Even more cool about that is you no longer need true bypass on the varitone as when the tone control is wide open it's out of circuit (more or less).
If you use a push pull on the tone control you can also use that with the varitone to select whether the varitone uses an inductor or not.
That's what I have in my Dearmond
My Dearmond with SD APH1s, series /parallel on the volume knobs ( like coil split tone but hum cancelling when coils in parallel )
Tone control with push pull to select inductor or not with varitone selecting the capacitor values - tone control determines the depth of grounding of varitone.
Big silver switch next to tone control is phase reversal for neck pickup
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Then there's true bypass to consider with the varitone. I'd go with Ben's true bypass or use a tone control as master tone and tellace the other tone for varitone but use the varitone to select the capacitor values for the tone control and the tone controls the depth. Even more cool about that is you no longer need true bypass on the varitone as when the tone control is wide open it's out of circuit (more or less).
If you use a push pull on the tone control you can also use that with the varitone to select whether the varitone uses an inductor or not.
That's what I have in my Dearmond
My Dearmond with SD APH1s, series /parallel on the volume knobs ( like coil split tone but hum cancelling when coils in parallel )
Tone control with push pull to select inductor or not with varitone selecting the capacitor values - tone control determines the depth of grounding of varitone.
Big silver switch next to tone control is phase reversal for neck pickup
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vinnie1971
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les paul with phase split coil and varitone
I don't have a diagram as I just wired it up but if you can wait a few days I can probably draw one up - just let me know if you want coil split on the humbucker is series / parks instead. I guess if you have a P90 hum isn't a problem for you and coil splitting is 4 less blobs of solder on the fiddly push pull than series / parallel [emoji1360]
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I don't have a diagram as I just wired it up but if you can wait a few days I can probably draw one up - just let me know if you want coil split on the humbucker is series / parks instead. I guess if you have a P90 hum isn't a problem for you and coil splitting is 4 less blobs of solder on the fiddly push pull than series / parallel [emoji1360]
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beaubrummels
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
Sorry, let me try another way.
Individual pickup controls are wired between the pickups and the pickup selector switch.
Master controls are wired between the pickup selector switch and the jack.
If you want the Varitone to control the whole guitar, no matter what pickup is selected, wire it between the pickup selector switch and the jack.
Sorry, let me try another way.
Individual pickup controls are wired between the pickups and the pickup selector switch.
Master controls are wired between the pickup selector switch and the jack.
If you want the Varitone to control the whole guitar, no matter what pickup is selected, wire it between the pickup selector switch and the jack.
Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
but then how would I wire the tone pots?
but then how would I wire the tone pots?
beaubrummels
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
Tone pots are individual, one for each pickup, so each will be wired between its respective pickup and the pickup selector switch, as seen in any normal Les Paul diagram.
Tone pots are individual, one for each pickup, so each will be wired between its respective pickup and the pickup selector switch, as seen in any normal Les Paul diagram.
vinnie1971
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
If you are substituting a tone control for a varitone so you have 2 volumes one tone and one varitone do it this way
http://www.guitar-mod.com/wiring/LPVaritone.jpg
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If you are substituting a tone control for a varitone so you have 2 volumes one tone and one varitone do it this way
http://www.guitar-mod.com/wiring/LPVaritone.jpg
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vinnie1971
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
If you are using standard 2 volume and 2 tones, then Gibson way has a varitone with a 100k resistor in parallel series with the caps, a 1 meg resistor in parallel with each cap, and bypass at position 1. Instead of the pickup selector hot output wired to the hot jack output, the hot lead output lead from the varitone is wired to the jack and hot output of the selector is wired to the hot input of the varitone. The ground of the varitone is wired in series with and inductor to the back of one of the pots.
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If you are using standard 2 volume and 2 tones, then Gibson way has a varitone with a 100k resistor in parallel series with the caps, a 1 meg resistor in parallel with each cap, and bypass at position 1. Instead of the pickup selector hot output wired to the hot jack output, the hot lead output lead from the varitone is wired to the jack and hot output of the selector is wired to the hot input of the varitone. The ground of the varitone is wired in series with and inductor to the back of one of the pots.
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vinnie1971
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
If you can describe the exact configuration you want I can do a diagram
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If you can describe the exact configuration you want I can do a diagram
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
I wanted a p90 and humbucker
p90 volume a pushpull with out of phase humbucker volume with split coil two tones 3 way switch 6 way varitone
I wanted a p90 and humbucker
p90 volume a pushpull with out of phase humbucker volume with split coil two tones 3 way switch 6 way varitone
beaubrummels
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
Clear as mud
Clear as mud
vinnie1971
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Re: les paul with phase split coil and varitone
Yes, that's it - very simple - then coil split is easy on a push pull you take the 2 wires soldered together from the pickup ( the serial link wires) and solder then to one of the middle terminals of the push pull then take a wire or better still a 4.7 k resistor and solder that to the pull terminal on the same side of the push pull as the wires from pickup and the other end to ground
Then for out of phase do this but it may differ slightly on you pickup as to wire colours:
https://www.premierguitar.com/ext/r...06/Blogs/Aug14_PG_CLM_ModGarage_image_WEB.jpg
It makes no difference which pickup you choose for out of phase switch
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Yes, that's it - very simple - then coil split is easy on a push pull you take the 2 wires soldered together from the pickup ( the serial link wires) and solder then to one of the middle terminals of the push pull then take a wire or better still a 4.7 k resistor and solder that to the pull terminal on the same side of the push pull as the wires from pickup and the other end to ground
Then for out of phase do this but it may differ slightly on you pickup as to wire colours:
https://www.premierguitar.com/ext/r...06/Blogs/Aug14_PG_CLM_ModGarage_image_WEB.jpg
It makes no difference which pickup you choose for out of phase switch
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