lets be honest about our playing.

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I think that just might be part of playing music....we understand our actual skill level better then anybody else so we are our toughest and most accurate critics. I think no matter how good you get, you still think you need to be better and I guess that can be both good and bad.:)

+1
 
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I've been a pro for over thirty years.

Even if it doesn't say how I play, does it count for something...? :scratchch
 
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Never let another person discourage you from enjoying your guitar.
If you enjoy what you are doing, that is the main thing.

+ 1000

When I pick up a guitar, it´s because I want to play. WHatever anyone else wants is not my problem at that point in time ;)
 
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Stop saying "i can't"
and start saying "i can't....yet"
music is a language. You never stop learning.

point.....taken.........instead of i cant,how bout ...i dont yet..lol...thanks for the cool posts everybody..i thought this might be an interesting look inside our selves.
 
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Raven,

As much as it sucks to get knocked down on your recordings, that's the best way to improve. Recording in general helps you become a better musician. Having them heard makes you even better. There was a site called Garageband, that allowed one to rate and comment on other bands music. Indie groups only, no signed artists. It was a great tool.

It's never to late to learn. I can't lead or solo for the life of me, but you find methods that work for your style and strengths. I'm a song writer, improvising and writing a structure of a song is what I do. I can write riffs, melodies and rock out some solid rhythms. That's what I focus on. I can't shred, so when it's my time to solo/lead I'll do something more melodic ala Santana-ish.

Tabs are real easy to learn. The numbers represent the fret you would play. 0 - open, 1 - first fret, etc.

If you're that worried about putting samples up. FOcus on one sample. Re-record the hell out of it. Get it down pat, no slip ups, no mistakes, just a clean recording. Keep it short and to the point. No more than a min. It well go over better. Then start building up more and more.
 
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I had a realization about ten years ago: While I was very disappointed in my playing, it was actually more or less where I wanted it to be. I came to the conclusion that, deep down, I was satisfied with where my playing was or else I'd do something about it. I could practice more, practice better, or maybe spend some of the time/money I was using to chase gear to chase ability.

It wasn't until about a year or so ago that I decided to get off my duff and actually put real effort into getting better. I found an instructor who could explain things in a way that clicked in my head. I tried to get 1/2 hour of practice in every day. Some days I get in more, often by reducing my time on discussion boards. :cool2: Rather than jacking around noodling on tune fragments, I actually practiced.

I'm no virtuoso but after 30 years of playing at guitar I'm finally developing some real proficiency on the instrument. And I'm doing so expending a fraction of the time I spent "practicing" as a teen. I still have a long way to get where I really want but I can envision myself getting there and have a plan to do so.

I realize that many folks don't have the time/money to do so but I've gotten a ton out of attending National Guitar Workshop. While all the faculty there are wonderful, I've really clicked with Jared Meeker. In addition to being a killer player, Jared breaks things down in a way that really clicks in my head. I've had a ton of "aha!" moments from his teaching.

While his approach may or may not work for you, the point is that if you didn't get what you wanted out of lessons, it may be that you just haven't found the right instructor. Or you're not at a point where you're willing to pursue the craft in that way.

In the end, approach music however you see fit. Whether you're more inclined to emulate Neil Young or Yngwie Malmsteen is a personal choice. Just bear in mind that it is a choice. The path can be much easier if you find someone who can effectively guide you, but in the end you're as good a musician as you want to be.
 
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Play, don't worry.

There'll always be people who are better, particularly in the technique department. But who cares ? It just says they spent a lot of time going over and over stuff. Which, of course, is the way to progress .... however .....

Music is about saying something. Maybe even touching the listener in some ways. And that can be (and has been) done even by 'primitives' .... Neil Young springs to mind, Jack White and many others. When you talk, it's what you are saying that matters, not how eloquently you say it. The latter might make the message more appealing, but even well-chosen basic words will convey what you are trying to say.

Music is exactly the same.

And for what it's worth, i told myself when i was young that i couldn't learn songs from records ... so of course i couldn't. When i finally got outside of that mindset i started picking up the tunes. It was my mind that had held me back. Now i know that i can do anything if i try hard enough.
 
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whats more important to you? picking up your guitar and playing no matter how bad ,or good you may be,or impressing people? whats my point?...i have been asked to provide clips here but i am embarressed to do so....the last one that showed up here was the source of much laughter...so i was always hesitant about putting anything up after that because the fear of being your joke of the day. i am not a good guitarist. i have to play in drop d because of a lack of finger dexterity and coordination. i have never taken lessons because frankly i just didnt get it. i didnt start messing around on the guitar for more than a hobby till around 2008 or so. i cant read music or tabs, i dont play covers because i cant. what i can do is hear things and sounds in my head and bring them out. so if i put up something please try to remember that i just have a passion for music and enjoy playing my guitars as much as you do..i just dont have you guys skills. i am in my very first band project...ever and im 45 years old.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Playing what you feel is what music is all about. Most of us can't read music either. But anyone can read tab. Stick with it, you'll be up to speed soon enough. It's a great way to learn songs. Even if you write a lot of your own music, you need to learn songs to understand what others players are doing. Otherwise you're wasting time reinventing the wheel. Understand their chords and single note riffs. It's a springboard for your own ideas.

Part of practicing in the early years is finger exercises, boring, but you need strength and dexterity to fully express yourself. Play along with CD's and satellite radio, which helps develop your timing. Start off playing what the guitarists are playing, and then work on adding new things to those songs. Create on an existing foundation. I play almost every morning and evening, playing songs, writing songs, noodling, plugged or unplugged. Keep those fingers busy. Play while you watch TV. Play everytime you have 10 spare minutes.

Jams are a great learning environment; I've been to many blues jams and sat in with many bands. You learn, in real time, what works and what doesn't. You learn to think on your feet. I'll sit in with a band for a song or two, which usually ends up being a whole set or the rest of the night. They'll play songs I don't know, and never heard before, and learn it on the spot, and then two minutes into it, they say: 'Rick, solo.' It took me a little while, but this is where you really develop as a player. Now, I can hold my own playing with any local blues guitarist. It doesn't happen over night, but you should get out in the real world and play with other guys, including on stage. The bedroom player thing is nice, but it's an artificial world and your playing habits can get very out of touch with reality.

Most of all, believe in yourself, set goals, push yourself. Yo'll get more confident. You will see improvements, they'll be gradual, but it will happen. Everyone starts off knowing nothing and sounding awful, just like we all put on our pants one leg at a time. Stick with it. You will continue to improve. It's a lifelong journey, no one thinks they're good enough.
 
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Having no humility, to be a showoff.

If you think I am playing bad... I am playing bad confidently.

I know I overplay at times but knowing that makes me approach it different.

Well, most guys take a more moderate approach to guitar, but I've come to follow Jimmy Page's method; turning up on solos and cutting loose with a barrage of fast notes and wild string bends. Why be a wall flower? You're already on stage in front of everyone, you might as well give them something to remember. You know what gets a crowd pumped up? It's not hearing a band run thru a bunch of lame Top 40 hits (the same worn out songs played every hour on the radio), sleepwalking thru it. It's seeing musicians pushing themselves to their limits, and the crowd becoming part of the experience. That's when live music crosses over from being background noise, and captures the room. Pick good material and put your heart into it. If a whole band does that, wow. It's impressive, whatever genre they play. You can't help but get into it. You want people to be dancing next to the stage, applauding after solos, and going wild at the end of songs. So who cares if some frump accuses you of 'overplaying'?
 
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I pick up my guitar, solely for me.

I used to do it for the audience, but I haven't been in a band in a year or two, so nowadays, it's all about pleasing myself.

LOL, "pleasing myself."
 
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^^ I play to please myself live at shows, and let the audience pick up on that. One of the best things I ever did for my playing, was to stop hating what I played, and how I did it. Once I embraced that idea, my playing got more relaxed the same day.
 
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i love to play live on stage but it has little to do with the audience. i dont suck and people seem to enjoy when i play but i really do it to get my rocks off.
 
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KILLER song!! My older bro had the 45. good job!

Drew 1/2, Yeah, I KNOW that Ive not put into it the dedication to get there. I regret that. If I could turn back time, Id have woodshedded my nuggets off. Now, with 5 kids, work and doing nearly everything to run a household, my time is limited.

I've got 4 kids and work and I decided a year or so ago to start going back to school for music. I didn't know how I would do it, but I wanted to get better plain and simple, and you know what, I have found the time and made it work (without sacrificing being a dang good father if I do say so myself). Also, amazingly I have become a FAR better guitar player. My point is, if you REALLY want to improve, make some time for it... it is possible... even when it doesn't seem so. For me, I just removed TV and other non-essential things from my life, and focused on my family and music.
 
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It wasn't until about a year or so ago that I decided to get off my duff and actually put real effort into getting better. I found an instructor who could explain things in a way that clicked in my head.

+1. Find an instructor you can relate to, and have him teach you what you want to learn, not a bunch of other things. Bring CD's and tell him "Show me how to play that." Focus the lessons on where you want to go. You can take months, or years off your learning curve with a good instructor.

Also, set a video camera up on a tripod, and film the instructor's hands on the guitar. In the course of an hour, or even half hour, you'll be amazed at how much you forget by the time you leave. You'll get much more out of the lesson this way.
 
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Congrats raven! We all start somewhere, might as well have fun while you're doing it. Every performer deserves credit for gathering up the courage and trying.
 
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Don't be so hard on yourself. Playing what you feel is what music is all about. Most of us can't read music either. But anyone can read tab. Stick with it, you'll be up to speed soon enough. It's a great way to learn songs. Even if you write a lot of your own music, you need to learn songs to understand what others players are doing. Otherwise you're wasting time reinventing the wheel. Understand their chords and single note riffs. It's a springboard for your own ideas.

Part of practicing in the early years is finger exercises, boring, but you need strength and dexterity to fully express yourself. Play along with CD's and satellite radio, which helps develop your timing. Start off playing what the guitarists are playing, and then work on adding new things to those songs. Create on an existing foundation. I play almost every morning and evening, playing songs, writing songs, noodling, plugged or unplugged. Keep those fingers busy. Play while you watch TV. Play everytime you have 10 spare minutes.

Jams are a great learning environment; I've been to many blues jams and sat in with many bands. You learn, in real time, what works and what doesn't. You learn to think on your feet. I'll sit in with a band for a song or two, which usually ends up being a whole set or the rest of the night. They'll play songs I don't know, and never heard before, and learn it on the spot, and then two minutes into it, they say: 'Rick, solo.' It took me a little while, but this is where you really develop as a player. Now, I can hold my own playing with any local blues guitarist. It doesn't happen over night, but you should get out in the real world and play with other guys, including on stage. The bedroom player thing is nice, but it's an artificial world and your playing habits can get very out of touch with reality.

Most of all, believe in yourself, set goals, push yourself. Yo'll get more confident. You will see improvements, they'll be gradual, but it will happen. Everyone starts off knowing nothing and sounding awful, just like we all put on our pants one leg at a time. Stick with it. You will continue to improve. It's a lifelong journey, no one thinks they're good enough.

thanks bluesman..and every else for your thoughts and advise on this thread....lots of truth here on this one.
 
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This is no time for honesty. I play almost as well as half the guitarists I've never heard. The ones I have heard only make me wish I had practiced more.

Also to the OP - You are 45. Do not be discouraged. I didn't really start improving until I was 48 .... seriously!
 
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I'm alright. I'm no musical genius or anything. But that's okay because i play for my pure enjoyment anyway
 
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I used to be very happy with where I was at as a player years ago, Just recently I have had two surgeries on right hand (I'm lefty) and it just makes me want to get back where I was, sometimes playing can literally be painful for me but I'm no quitter.....
 
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After many, many years, I have worked myself up to 2 hours a day of constructive practice, lessons 4 to 6 times a month, and Jamming 3 times a month. It's been a long road, but improvement comes nearly every time I pick it up now. I've been taking lessons with Robbie Laws for 7 1/2 years and have advanced far enough to understand where he is coming from. I can't even articulate the appreciation I have for him as a guide and player. Lot's of times I just sit and watch.

Am I any good - it's not important - it fills a space in my life and makes me very happy.:)
 
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