Liberator for LP trad pro

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Jesuscares

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Just got a Lp trad pro with coil tapping switches & thinking of installing a liberator so I can swap the bridge Bb3 with a classic 57 any time.Do I need a500 or 250 liberator ? Does anyone know how many K my LP vol pot is made off & if there will be a quality loss by using the liberator instead of the stock pot on the Lp ?
 
Re: Liberator for LP trad pro

Jesuscares said:
Just got a Lp trad pro with coil tapping switches & thinking of installing a liberator so I can swap the bridge Bb3 with a classic 57 any time.Do I need a500 or 250 liberator ? Does anyone know how many K my LP vol pot is made off & if there will be a quality loss by using the liberator instead of the stock pot on the Lp ?
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It should be a 500k pot.
 
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yes i confirmed that the L p came with a 500K.Is it okay to use a liberator instead of the original pots? Any loss in quality? In case I want to swap both pups for different ones will i have to install 2 liberators or will one work for both? Does the Liberator handle coil tapping? The volume control for the bridge pickup has a push pull pot that split coils.So I dont understand how I can use the push/pull feature if it was replaced with the liberator.Will I be able to use the push/pull know still?

Sorry for too many questions,but my knowledge on electric stuff is pretty poor.
 
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GilmourD said:
I assume that the tone controls are the push-pulls... In that case, then, the Liberator won't really help you as at least one wire (or more, depending on what that switch actually does) from the pickup would have to be soldered to the push-pull switch.

For example, this diagram still calls for some soldering.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=LB1_2v1t_LBVOL_pp
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Thanks for the response.It is not the tone controls but the volume controls on the LP that have the push pull pots that splits coils.My question is if I replaced the LPs push pull vol pots with the Liberator,will the push/pull vol knobs on the LP still work as a splitter? Most luthiers are not too happy about Liberators ( I guess that's understandable)!
 
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Jesuscares said:
Thanks for the response.It is not the tone controls but the volume controls on the LP that have the push pull pots that splits coils.My question is if I replaced the LPs push pull vol pots with the Liberator,will the push/pull vol knobs on the LP still work as a splitter? Most luthiers are not too happy about Liberators ( I guess that's understandable)!
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If you replace the volumes with Liberators then you will simply not have the push-pull function anymore as the push-pull switch is part of the volume pot.
 
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GilmourD said:
If you replace the volumes with Liberators then you will simply not have the push-pull function anymore as the push-pull switch is part of the volume pot.
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Hmmm anyway around this? Like putting a coil splitter tone knob & using it to split coils for that particular bridge pup? I really have no clue on guitar electronics!
 
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Jesuscares said:
Hmmm anyway around this? Like putting a coil splitter tone knob & using it to split coils for that particular bridge pup? I really have no clue on guitar electronics!
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Well... You're looking to simplify things but you're actually getting pretty complicated here for an electronics novice. LOL

It's absolutely doable. However you'll be rewiring the entire circuit.

Let's nail down what you want the controls to actually do before we get into redoing everything.
 
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GilmourD said:
Well... You're looking to simplify things but you're actually getting pretty complicated here for an electronics novice. LOL

It's absolutely doable. However you'll be rewiring the entire circuit.

Let's nail down what you want the controls to actually do before we get into redoing everything.
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Well,originally the LP has 2 Push/pull type vol pots for each pup.The bridge pup is a BB3 & I would like to swap it for a 57 classic 4 wire pup & would occasionally go back to the BB3.I want to be able to use the stock volume controls with the ability to split coils as well as have the Liberator so I can swap pups whenever I need. This is what the Seymour customer care folks tell me now -"Put the Liberator in a different spot. That’s not a problem." .How,where..? I dont have a clue.If this doesnt work I better forget the Liberator idea & take a crash course on soldering!
 
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I'm personally a fan of Molex and other connectors like that when I want things modular. Well, that's the PC tech side of me talking. LOL what you can do that would simplify things is just wire up a harness with some 4-pin connectors. All you would have to do is unplug the pickups when you want to swap.

I'm on my phone right now so it would be hard for me to find the proper connectors, but when I get home I can look them up.
 
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GilmourD said:
I'm personally a fan of Molex and other connectors like that when I want things modular. Well, that's the PC tech side of me talking. LOL what you can do that would simplify things is just wire up a harness with some 4-pin connectors. All you would have to do is unplug the pickups when you want to swap.

I'm on my phone right now so it would be hard for me to find the proper connectors, but when I get home I can look them up.
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Wow that sounds like a cool idea.Please let me know more.
 
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Well, there's LOTS of options. You'd be going for a 4-pin connector (of course one pin would be shared by shield and whichever wire goes to ground, the color of which is determined by the manufacturer) or a 6-pin connector (you'd have an unused pin, but the ground shield would be separate in case you've got a phase switch or something).

Now, like I said, I'm a PC tech, so that's where a good portion of my hairbrained ideas come from. LOL Therefore, a PC part supplier tends to be where I go first for things like this.

Of course you'd have to order the optional pin sets with these but this will get you in the right direction.
Four-pin female connector
Four-pin male connector
Six-pin female connector
Six-pin male connector

Even on that very site are different connectors that may actually work better for you, depending on the size or wiring options.

The only problem with those may be whatever size they drilled the wiring channels in your particular guitar, in which case you might want to go with something smaller, like this.

Four-pin female connector
Four-pin male connector

Regardless of the connector you go for, I'd put the female connector on the pickups and leave the male connector connected to your controls.

Now, I've never particularly had a problem soldering, nor have I had a desire to replace pickups on the fly, so I haven't done this... Has anybody else around here already done this? What did you use?
 
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