AdrianSmithFan
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HI people, can the lil 59 do metal good metal and good cleans
LIL 59 for metal
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Mark Cearlock
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
Not in my opinion. Could depend on the amp, though. I use mine for rock in my tele.
Not in my opinion. Could depend on the amp, though. I use mine for rock in my tele.
darth vader
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
in the neck position maybe yes....in the bridge i think it might be kinda weak compared to other high output single coil size humbucks...
in the neck position maybe yes....in the bridge i think it might be kinda weak compared to other high output single coil size humbucks...
JB_From_Hell
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
I think it would work. I had a Lil '59 bridge in the middle position of an Ibanez RG, and it kept up pretty well with the Custom in the bridge. To my ears, it's a more aggressive pickup than it's full-size counterpart.
EQ your amp and hit the strings properly, and it'll do the trick.
I think it would work. I had a Lil '59 bridge in the middle position of an Ibanez RG, and it kept up pretty well with the Custom in the bridge. To my ears, it's a more aggressive pickup than it's full-size counterpart.
EQ your amp and hit the strings properly, and it'll do the trick.
AdrianSmithFan
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
ok thanks
ok thanks
DrNewcenstein
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
And your definition of what is and is not a "Metal" tone.
The Jackson Mark Morton sig has 2 59s. To me, it gets a good Metal tone through my ADA MP-1 and Digitech TSR-12. However, no pickup alone will give you the "Master Of Puppets tone" or the "Reign In Blood tone" or a "Souls Of Black tone". You need the amp to go with it.
Any pickup will sound good for Metal if you match it up with the right guitar and the right amp.
And your definition of what is and is not a "Metal" tone.
The Jackson Mark Morton sig has 2 59s. To me, it gets a good Metal tone through my ADA MP-1 and Digitech TSR-12. However, no pickup alone will give you the "Master Of Puppets tone" or the "Reign In Blood tone" or a "Souls Of Black tone". You need the amp to go with it.
Any pickup will sound good for Metal if you match it up with the right guitar and the right amp.
AdrianSmithFan
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
ok thanks, i don't go as heavy as metallica... i play deep purple and dave gilmour stuff and iron maiden... my amp is a vox valvetronix vtxl and my guitar is fender highway one strat
ok thanks, i don't go as heavy as metallica... i play deep purple and dave gilmour stuff and iron maiden... my amp is a vox valvetronix vtxl and my guitar is fender highway one strat
DrNewcenstein
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
In that case the Lil 59 should do fine. Blackmore and Gilmour used stock Fender pickups for most of the good stuff, and Iron Maiden used mostly DiMarzio and Gibson pickups for their best work.
In that case the Lil 59 should do fine. Blackmore and Gilmour used stock Fender pickups for most of the good stuff, and Iron Maiden used mostly DiMarzio and Gibson pickups for their best work.
AdrianSmithFan
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
thanks for your help and quick replies Drnewcenstein so the lil 59 will still be able to get some singlecoilish tones
thanks for your help and quick replies Drnewcenstein so the lil 59 will still be able to get some singlecoilish tones
loudriver23
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
I had a lil59 in my tele, and through my Mark IV could get some fairly heavy tones, but nowhere near some of the more aggressive bands out there.
I really like your thinking here. Kinda sums up the reality of the situation clearly.
I had a lil59 in my tele, and through my Mark IV could get some fairly heavy tones, but nowhere near some of the more aggressive bands out there.
AdrianSmithFan
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
thanks kl i think i will go with the lil 59... but one more question please does the lil 59 clean up well if you back the volume off
thanks kl i think i will go with the lil 59... but one more question please does the lil 59 clean up well if you back the volume off
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: LIL 59 for metal
Well, it's not a high-ouput pickup like the Hot Rails or Distortion, so in theory (I don't have one), yes. But again, it depends on personal preference and how you define "clean up well". If you want Clean Channel on your amp and "absolutely no grit from the pickup when on the Clean Channel", then as a humbucker, you might find more beef in it than you want. Split to single-coil, it won't sound exactly like a single coil, but it'll be "close enough" (i.e. 60-cycle hum, not as beefy as a humbucker, etc), but it also depends on what exact single-coil tone you're going for - Texas Special? Vintage 50s? TexMex?
On the other hand, since it's not a high-output pickup, when you back off the Volume knob on a Distorted Channel on your amp, you will notice a reduction in Distortion level because you're reducing the amount of signal going into the amp. Only you will be able to tell whether or not it sounds good to you.
Not trying to be an ass, but these types of things are entirely personal preference. It's impossible to get a definitive answer as everyone has different preferences. The most you can do is take an average of stated preferences weighed against each respondent's choice of amp, guitar, and playing style, and then flip a coin.
It's the same with amps and guitar body styles - a Roland JC120 is perfect for Metal, if you have a <insert name/brand/type of pedal/rack/preamp> running into it. A Gretsch White Falcon will sound just like James Hetfield's Gibson Explorer on Master Of Puppets, and a Jackson Warrior will sound just like Keith Richards' Rosewood Telecaster with the right EQ and amp settings.
It's all too subjective to ask that question.
Well, it's not a high-ouput pickup like the Hot Rails or Distortion, so in theory (I don't have one), yes. But again, it depends on personal preference and how you define "clean up well". If you want Clean Channel on your amp and "absolutely no grit from the pickup when on the Clean Channel", then as a humbucker, you might find more beef in it than you want. Split to single-coil, it won't sound exactly like a single coil, but it'll be "close enough" (i.e. 60-cycle hum, not as beefy as a humbucker, etc), but it also depends on what exact single-coil tone you're going for - Texas Special? Vintage 50s? TexMex?
On the other hand, since it's not a high-output pickup, when you back off the Volume knob on a Distorted Channel on your amp, you will notice a reduction in Distortion level because you're reducing the amount of signal going into the amp. Only you will be able to tell whether or not it sounds good to you.
Not trying to be an ass, but these types of things are entirely personal preference. It's impossible to get a definitive answer as everyone has different preferences. The most you can do is take an average of stated preferences weighed against each respondent's choice of amp, guitar, and playing style, and then flip a coin.
It's the same with amps and guitar body styles - a Roland JC120 is perfect for Metal, if you have a <insert name/brand/type of pedal/rack/preamp> running into it. A Gretsch White Falcon will sound just like James Hetfield's Gibson Explorer on Master Of Puppets, and a Jackson Warrior will sound just like Keith Richards' Rosewood Telecaster with the right EQ and amp settings.
It's all too subjective to ask that question.
DrNewcenstein
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Re: LIL 59 for metal
Thanks. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't know just how subjective everything is: amps, pickups, guitars, effects, picks, even strings and straps!
As well, it seems that few people understand that the sound you hear on a CD has gone through production techniques that make it significantly different from the original "standing in front of the amp" tone, and that simply having the same guitar, amp, and pickup will not get you the sound you heard on the CD. You'll get "something like it", but not an exact match. Even then, whether or not the sound you're getting is "close enough" is subjective! It's a never-ending cycle.
Thanks. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't know just how subjective everything is: amps, pickups, guitars, effects, picks, even strings and straps!
As well, it seems that few people understand that the sound you hear on a CD has gone through production techniques that make it significantly different from the original "standing in front of the amp" tone, and that simply having the same guitar, amp, and pickup will not get you the sound you heard on the CD. You'll get "something like it", but not an exact match. Even then, whether or not the sound you're getting is "close enough" is subjective! It's a never-ending cycle.
