Line 6 M13 - First Impressions

krankguitarist

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Got a particulary beat-up looking box from fedex today, luckly the guys at sweetwater had done a good job packing my new FX unit.

Very slick-looking unit. I plugged her in, and all the lights came to life, and dayumn. I'm naturally fascinated by anything that blinks/flashes/lights up, so this thing almost sent me into epileptic fits. Pretty, pretty, pretty.

Started playing with the effects, and the first thing that struck me is how intuitive the controls are. You press down on the "Model Select" knob to choose between Delay (green), Modulation (blue), Filter (purple), Reverb (orange), and Drive (yellow) FX, and the screen changes colors accordingly. After you've picked your category, you twist the "Model Select" knob till the specific model you want comes on screen.

After that, you dial in the effect as you would on a stompbox with the 5 other knobs, the functions of which are displayed on the screen. One of the things I hated about the MM4 I had a few years ago was the ambiguously named "tweak" and "tweeze" knobs. I could never quite figure out what I was doing with those, and found it more than a little annoying that I had to keep on looking up their functions for each model.

There's too many FX to do a one-by--one review for them all, but I'm very impressed by many of the models on here, especially in the delay, reverb, and modulation categories. I didn't spend too much time dialing in the drive FX, but my first impressions of them were pretty "meh". I didn't get this unit for drive though, I got it for everything else.

The filters offer some pretty cool sounds as well. I can see myself making use of a few of these as time goes by. A lot of it is "novelty" though.

Onto the looper. Now, I've never used a looper before, but holy hell I love this thing. Once again, its very intuitive, no manual-diving. I was getting crazy reverse-looped sounds within five minutes. It'll be great in a band setting as well...not only for making crazy atmospheric loops, but for teaching the other guitarist riffs.

The cons so far are relatively small, though. I do wish that there was one more FX engine available, but all in all it's not that big of a deal. I also wish that it had an expression pedal built-in, and that's the slightly more irritating omission. The other thing is when I was playing around with the "reverse" delay setting, I was having a little difficulty getting the delay time parameter to change...it was stuck at 2000ms, and moving the knob only changed it about 1ms. I messed around with hitting the tap tempo switch a few times, and turning the knob furiously, and it suddenly started working. So who knows what that's all about, hopefully that won't show up again.

All in all, I'm glad that I picked this thing up. Next thing is I'm gonna need to get an expression pedal for it. If I like the wah enough on it, I might even pass on bringing my fulltone wah to gigs. I'm all about simple equipment: simple setup, simple tear-down, simple to use, simple to understand, etc, etc. This thing delivers.

Jesus I'm glad I don't use a G-force anymore.
 
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Thanks for the heads up. I've always dug L6's pedals, so I'm jonesing bigtime on this one. Looks like a great 'do it all' unit.

My only concern is the size, because I'd have to change a lot of things on my pedalboard to accomodate it. About how many inches long and wide is it?
 
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hey krank, help me understand what all the pedal buttons do ... i understand the idea that you can put 4 of the effects in each 'column' and set them up as you like ... i am imagining that the top row of stomp buttons is for turning them on/off individually .. but what is the other two rows of stomp switches for?
 
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It's actually got three buttons per column, and four different DSP engine columns.

Each button can be set to any effect you like, though each DSP engine can only handle one effect at a time. That means that you're limited to four effects at once.

The 5th column isn't associated with a DSP engine. It's got a tap tempo button, a button that switches the unit to looper mode, and a button that switches the unit to scenes mode. The "scenes" are pretty much just "patches". Meaning you can use it to switch any combination of the effects at once.
 
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thanks

ok, so if i set column one to 'modulation' effects, does that mean i can have 3 different modulation types (1 per row in that column) such as a chorus in the top spot, a flanger in the middle spot, and a phaser in the bottom spot ... then only one of them can be on at any time?
 
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You are correct, sort of.

Each column can only run one effect at a time. However, the pre-sets don't have to be in the same category. You can set up a delay on the top button, a phaser on the middle button, and a spring reverb on the bottom button...or any combination of distortions, modulations, delays, filters, or reverbs. The individual DSP engines can only handle one effect at a time, but they can handle ANY one effect at a time.

You can always set up multiple modulation effects across the different DSP engines as well. Hell, you could set up four distortions at once if you wanted to.
 
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How are you getting along with the layout of the buttons?

I saw one of those M13's last week in a GuitarDepot & while I didn't plug in, I did grok it & the stomp switches seemed awfully close together. Too close for my big feet & I wear 11's! Doubt that I could use one of those in a live setting since I'd be hitting two or three switches at once unless I was super careful or barefoot...
 
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So the buttons that say loop, undo, start/stop, etc double as preset buttons for that column's FX?
 
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How are you getting along with the layout of the buttons?

I saw one of those M13's last week in a GuitarDepot & while I didn't plug in, I did grok it & the stomp switches seemed awfully close together. Too close for my big feet & I wear 11's! Doubt that I could use one of those in a live setting since I'd be hitting two or three switches at once unless I was super careful or barefoot...

I don't find myself hitting the wrong switch all too often to be honest, and I've got a size 13 foot ;). I end up hitting the wrong switch on my mark IV's footswitch a whole lot more.

So the buttons that say loop, undo, start/stop, etc double as preset buttons for that column's FX?

Yup, once you hit the looper button on the right-most column on the unit, those controls become active. When not in looper mode though, they're FX preset buttons.

I'll add too, though, that I'm thoroughly unimpressed with the compressors on the M13. Then again I've never really been into the dyna-comp variety. I'm gonna start bringing my own, home-made compressor along for gigs and such.

On the plus side, I've got a line 6 EX-1 in the mail coming to me. They're doin one of those free EX-1 promotion things...hopefully it won't turn out to be the huge piece of crap that it's said to be ;).
 
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i love mine...the LEDs can be seen in the sun as well as darkness..i was able to clone the sound of my tube screamers, chorus and delay pedals. the looper rocks. overall a brilliant idea..no amp or cab models and small, light and sturdy. And if you buy before Nov 1 you get a free expression pedal (I just got mine free pedal today).
 
Re: Line 6 M13 - First Impressions

i love mine...the LEDs can be seen in the sun as well as darkness..i was able to clone the sound of my tube screamers, chorus and delay pedals. the looper rocks. overall a brilliant idea..no amp or cab models and small, light and sturdy. And if you buy before Nov 1 you get a free expression pedal (I just got mine free pedal today).

Are you having any problems with the "model select" knobs not clicking when you push down on them? My FX unit 1 is being a little intermittent...sometimes I gotta take off the knob to make contact. Maybe it's just my unit...

I do kinda wish those pots were panel-mounted to the chassis. Or at least the push-pot for the model select functions.
 
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no problems so far...i did notice the 2nd screen is slightly lighter color than the others, but apparently there is some weird setup mode to fix that...there is lots of info on the Line6 forums too..and the new firmware was just released.
 
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Looks like it would be cool for recording or just messing around the house. I don't know if I'd want to try and use one live though.
 
Re: Line 6 M13 - First Impressions

Looks like it would be cool for recording or just messing around the house. I don't know if I'd want to try and use one live though.

I've used mine live without any problems. It's pretty **** sturdy, though I am having that little problem with the push-knob on FX1. Seems like I'm the only one with that problem so far. Probably a QC issue :shakes fist at line 6:.

At least if it gets any worse, I've got a service center close by, and it's still under warranty.
 
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Anyone compared it to the NOVA SYSTEM as that seems like its closest rival in higher end multi efx pedalboards.
 
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I don't cruise the new gear notices much anymore, so I completely missed this release!

:cool2::cool3:

BTW, go here. Register. There is an M13 page under "effects." Post a question there about your switch. Mark your thread as a "question." That sends your thread to the moderators/techs @ L6. You also can submit a "support ticket." Often, though, if it is something they need to deal with you directly on, they'll send a support ticket to you.

There was a switch problem with the early X3Ls. Several of them failed. L6 often just replaced the unit, though. Their support system is pretty good. Check 'em out.

(of course they are NOT the SD Co.).
 
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