Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

[SlowGroove]

Amp freaks the worls over . . .

. . . do you know this Line6 Valve spider (all valve modelling) amp ?

My Laney GH50 metal head cousin phoned me up earlier this afternoon and told me he just heard the worlds best metal amp.

HE claims that his music store (were he works) just got the worlds "best" metal amp in, and is also sold allready.

He is off course referring to the new'ish Line6 Spiser Valve 100W head and cab. Like so :

http://line6.com/spidervalve/index.html

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...sku=487071#new

Do you know anyone who owns one ?
Have you ever seen one in a store near you ?
Have you ever felt like testing one in your local store ?
Have you ever heard someone even mentioning this Line6 product ?

Any info on this "best metal amp that he has ever heard" will be greatly appreciated.
Guys working in music stores, Music Store Owners, feel free to join in please.


Thanx Guys
James

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

ahahahahahahaha

The World's Best? No.

Really Awesome For The Money? Oh hell yeah.

If you need an amp that does a little bit of everything with an emphasis on heavy tones, the spider valve half stack does it all day.

there are way better amps out there but they're all hundreds of dollars more.

 

[SlowGroove]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

^^^ Thanks EP's i hoped that you would spot this one !

So, if this amp is soooo WOW for my cousin of 22, why have i never herd of this model ever before ?

I know about the old SS Spiders aswell as the Vetta II's, but this one is completely unknow to me !
And why would a giging metal muso like him w a Lanet GH50 think it is sooo much better than his current rig ?
OK, i know he is MY cousin, but mybe you have some insight behind the way he might be thinking !


Thanx Man !

James

 

[SlowGroove]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

ahahahahahahaha

The World's Best? No.

Really Awesome For The Money? Oh hell yeah.

If you need an amp that does a little bit of everything with an emphasis on heavy tones, the spider valve half stack does it all day.

there are way better amps out there but they're all hundreds of dollars more.

One more question :


. . . iyo, would you say the Valve Spirder 2x12 is "better" than the VOX VT100 2x12 combo ?

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/...100-100W-2x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=424009#new - Vox VT


Thanx
James

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

This isn't a cheap shot at anyone at all, but some of you need to push away from the computer and go out and try some of the stuff that gets talked about on the internet.

Searching for youtube clips isn't real world experience.

Spend this weekend going out on a music store tour, and find out which pieces of gear really excite you personally, from plugging in and playing. Then, let the wheels spin as to how you'll afford it, then buck up and seal the deal.

Again, this isn't directed at the original poster, or anyone in particular.

 

[SlowGroove]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

This isn't a cheap shot at anyone at all, but some of you need to push away from the computer and go out and try some of the stuff that gets talked about on the internet.

Searching for youtube clips isn't real world experience.

Spend this weekend going out on a music store tour, and find out which pieces of gear really excite you personally, from plugging in and playing. Then, let the wheels spin as to how you'll afford it, then buck up and seal the deal.

Again, this isn't directed at the original poster, or anyone in particular.

Imho, i think you missed the point !



James

 

[dr. ad]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

ahahahahahahaha

The World's Best? No.

Really Awesome For The Money? Oh hell yeah.

If you need an amp that does a little bit of everything with an emphasis on heavy tones, the spider valve half stack does it all day.

there are way better amps out there but they're all hundreds of dollars more.

so you've tried one, then?

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

It is a Line 6 Spider with a tube power amp. That is seriously all that it is.
It still has the old modeling technology of the Spider in the digital preamp, it's actually quite outdated compared to the POD X3 and even the XT sounds.
You will get FAR better results using a POD X3 going through a tube power amp going into a decent cabinet.

 

[SlowGroove]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

It is a Line 6 Spider with a tube power amp. That is seriously all that it is.
It still has the old modeling technology of the Spider in the digital preamp, it's actually quite outdated compared to the POD X3 and even the XT sounds.
You will get FAR better results using a POD X3 going through a tube power amp going into a decent cabinet.

Many thanx for this info too !

I was actually thinking this might be the case, as i have NOT yet read the official site's info !
Doing so today though !
So, going w what you have mentioned above, can i savely assume that the new VOX VT's will be a worthy contender in this sort of price class, as everyone on this forum that has ever tested/woned a Vox modelling amp, still rants and raves over them eben years later !

The thing that i have not mentioned yet, is that the national sales rep, NOT regional, but NATIONAL, is saying (so i am led to believe) that it is one of the best amps that he has ever heard in his life, and that comes from a bloke who owns Orange's, Boogies and 70's Fenders.

I know he is a rep, and has to stand behind his products come hell or high water, but is't this going a bit too far here ?


Keep em comming guys !

James

 

[apj]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

It is a Line 6 Spider with a tube power amp. That is seriously all that it is.
It still has the old modeling technology of the Spider in the digital preamp, it's actually quite outdated compared to the POD X3 and even the XT sounds.
You will get FAR better results using a POD X3 going through a tube power amp going into a decent cabinet.

I agree taking an XT through a poweramp and cab will get you better results, but it is also a lot less simple and a lot more expensive than a one deal package like the spider valve combo. That said, they are quite nice, versatile amps. I a b'd one with one of those traynor 50 watt combos, spider valve totally won in both the heavy and lighter side.

 

[millsart]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

"Best" is a rather relative term

If you ask me, the worlds best metal amp is still an old Randall SS like the Century or RG series (Dimebag's (RIP) Vulgar Display of Power era tones)

Second would be an old Marshall Valvestate head


Neither of those were that highly regarded or expensive but they sounded great and thats all that matters. Nothing wrong with Engl's, Bogner's, Mesa, VHT's etc. All good amps as well but it just comes down to what sounds good.

L6 can get some pretty cool heavy tones. I've heard plenty of guys getting some brutal stuff out of them, especially the Vetta's. Maybe not the classic "metal" tone, but given we've been getting basically the same "metal" tone for going on 30 years, thats not such a bad thing.

Thats why I loved that Randall SS sound. It was not only so aggressive and tight, but it also sounded different than all the guys who had Marshalls and Mesa's at the time and I instantly had to go buy one.

So is a Spider Valve the best metal amp......it could be if it nails the tone your after

 

[That90'sGuy]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

The Spider Valve is a joke. Your cousin needs his head checked. And Gearjoneser is right, try before you buy. Half the people who spew out things online have no idea what they're even talking about. "Best" definitely is a subjective term.

 

[SlowGroove]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

Again, a BIG thank you to all so far . . .


. . . keep 'em comming guys !


James

 

[millsart]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

The Spider Valve is a joke. Your cousin needs his head checked. And Gearjoneser is right, try before you buy. Half the people who spew out things online have no idea what they're even talking about. "Best" definitely is a subjective term.

So since it is a subjective term, would his cousin still be incorrect in thinking its a great sounding amp since you think its a joke ?

Is it not possible that subjectively, you are correct that its a joke, and he's correct its the best sounding amp he's heard, because both of your opinions are simply that, opinion ?

What is the absolute basis for what sounds "good" ???

 

[Thunder]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

It is a Line 6 Spider with a tube power amp. That is seriously all that it is.
It still has the old modeling technology of the Spider in the digital preamp, it's actually quite outdated compared to the POD X3 and even the XT sounds.
You will get FAR better results using a POD X3 going through a tube power amp going into a decent cabinet.

+1 Tried one at GC and it's not all that.

 

[H8Red442]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

That Spider Valve 212 is bad ass. The presets are great. and it does heavy very well.

I've been fighting with myself for sometime to buy one as a back up or practice amp.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

so you've tried one, then?

Yeah man. Ever since i started working at the only Sam Ash store in Georgia, (which is also one of the biggest music stores in Georgia) I have had lots of time to try out all kinds of gear in all kinds of circumstances.

It is a Line 6 Spider with a tube power amp. That is seriously all that it is.
It still has the old modeling technology of the Spider in the digital preamp, it's actually quite outdated compared to the POD X3 and even the XT sounds.
You will get FAR better results using a POD X3 going through a tube power amp going into a decent cabinet.

Close. It's a Bogner tube amp -- pre amp AND power amp -- with the digital modeling circuit in between the pre and power tubes. I haven't compared it to the POD's but I imagine a complicated and more expensive rig would always sound better than what is easily bought at the store.

Many thanx for this info too !

I was actually thinking this might be the case, as i have NOT yet read the official site's info !
Doing so today though !
So, going w what you have mentioned above, can i savely assume that the new VOX VT's will be a worthy contender in this sort of price class, as everyone on this forum that has ever tested/woned a Vox modelling amp, still rants and raves over them eben years later !

The thing that i have not mentioned yet, is that the national sales rep, NOT regional, but NATIONAL, is saying (so i am led to believe) that it is one of the best amps that he has ever heard in his life, and that comes from a bloke who owns Orange's, Boogies and 70's Fenders.

I know he is a rep, and has to stand behind his products come hell or high water, but is't this going a bit too far here ?


Keep em comming guys !

James

Definitely competitive with the VOX, but aimed more for metalheads who don't want to sit there and try to get good tones.

As for why your cousin might like it so much..? I dunno man, lots of people get excited about things they see at stores...especially if they sound decent and are reasonably priced. What could a 22-year-old possibly know about tone? :smokin:

But man that's funny that your Line 6 Rep says it's the best amp in the world. My Marshall / Vox Rep says the JVM is the best amp in the world. And if you ask my Roland / Boss Rep, you don't even need an amp, just get a GT-10.

My Gibson Rep loves Gibson guitars and my Ibanez rep...plays Ibanez.

company reps = the salesmen that sell to salesmen.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

company reps = the salesmen that sell to salesmen.

Does the fact that it was necessary for you to point that out make you as sad I me?

 

[SlowGroove]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

Definitely competitive with the VOX, but aimed more for metalheads who don't want to sit there and try to get good tones.

As for why your cousin might like it so much..? I dunno man, lots of people get excited about things they see at stores...especially if they sound decent and are reasonably priced. What could a 22-year-old possibly know about tone? :smokin:

But man that's funny that your Line 6 Rep says it's the best amp in the world. My Marshall / Vox Rep says the JVM is the best amp in the world. And if you ask my Roland / Boss Rep, you don't even need an amp, just get a GT-10.

My Gibson Rep loves Gibson guitars and my Ibanez rep...plays Ibanez.

company reps = the salesmen that sell to salesmen.

Thanx EP !

Have you ever played on the "dedicated" metal-head VOX XL 100 ?
Not a VT series amp, i know, but deff aimed in the same direction as the bruutalzz Spider Valve. They are deff aimed at the same market sector.
Wouls love to hear a propper AB-teat between the two, as i real all over the net, about the love for the modelling VOX'es. And the fact that they get recommended soooo much even on this great forum.

And about my cousin.
He is not casual bloke walking in from the street, and into a shop to try a few amps, he works in the biggest music store of out city. He sees a hell of a lot more new gear that jo-shmo that just just noodles on a guitar at home.

And that also would mean that he knows ALL TOO WELL, that a main-National rep WILL say such things about his own product, but still, HE believes the rep :banghead:

And my cousin playes in an all-origenal band, not a cover's band where you need 600 diff tones and patches to do from Elvis to Skynyrd, to Bryan Adams, to Queen, to Limp Bizket to god-knows-what !
Origenal metal bands, get an amp that compliments THEIR tone, and stick with it. They do not buy modelling amps, because they know how they want to sound.


James

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Line6 Valve Spider - do you know it ?

I haven't tried them side by side but i did mess with the 'Hi Gain' Vox when we had one. It sounded good but all those 'hi gain' patches always have way too much buzzy saturation for me.

the Bogner is more straightforward of an amp than the Vox stuff, but since it has the full pre / power amp thing going on it needs to be really cranked up to sound 'tubey.' The Vox stuff maintains a nice cranked tube tone even if you have the volume way down, and that's important to me.