Lookign for some advice on matching sounds

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I think I've about got my mind made up about what pickups I am going to stick my HSS Strat. But I could use a little knowledge.

Bridge: Invader or Screamin Demon
Mid: Hot Rails
Neck: Hot Stack S2 or Cool Rails

How chunky and heavy is the Hot Rails?

Which is a chunkier between the Demon and the Invader?

Do you think the Hot Stack S2 would be a better companion for the Hot rails in the Neck position or the Cool Rails?
 
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The Hot Rails isn't as chunky as an Invader, but it certainly can get the job done. It can kick. I've only used it in the bridge position, though.
 
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That's a weird combo, to be honest. What tone's are you looking to get?
 
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What would be a good recomendation for the middle and neck positions if not what I'm thinking. I'm pretty sure I want either the demon or invader in the bridge position. Probably the invader. Is following it with a Hot Rails overkill maybe... or will it just be more of the same sound limiting the tones I can get out of my guitar? What about a Demon single coil sized in the middle?
 
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I have no experience with the invader, but I'm hearing that it has a much higher output and probably sounds thicker than the Demon. The demon is a medium output pickup, yet it gives the sweetest crunch I've heard. It's basically a tweaked 59'. Hope that helps.
 
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Also Avenge Sevenfolds's Synester Gates uses the Invader in both positions I think. You can check out his youtube stuff. Who would name himself Synester Gates is beyond me.
 
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What tone's are you looking to get?

I am a big fan of bands like Rage Against the Machine, Smashing Pumpkins, and Linkin Park. What kind of pickups might get me in the neighborhood. I know each of those bands have different sounds technically but I believe there could be a pick up for me in somewhere in the middle of them. I'm thinking the Invader is a little too muddy. I've recently taken notice of the Demon and Dimebucker.
 
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To get close to those tones, I'd use a Custom trembucker in the bridge, a Vintage Rails in the mid, and a Cool Rails in the neck. I'd also use a trio of push/pull pots. One would be to switch the neck pickup from series to parallel, the other to do the same to the bridge, and the third to be able to turn on your bridge pickup in combination with any switch position on your 5 way switch. This would allow you to have neck and bridge combined as well as all 3 on at the same time.
 
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Stop messing around and get a PATB1! Modern rock tones, loves the cranked gain, will deliver Pumkins and Linkin Park type tones no problem in my strat through my Spider III. Sounds more alive than a Hot Rails, but isn't as blazingly hot as the Invader. It has that Linkin Park hi-fi thing going on in the highs and the girth in the lower mids to get some good Pumpkins tones. For Rage tones doesn't Tom play a lot of semi-distorted stuff on the neck pickup? If so, that's where the Lil 59 comes in for a PAF tone that will sound awesome with your amp breaking up.

Hot Rails is a good all around rock tone and can handle metal well, hot with chopped treble and more lower mids and bass. The Invader has the same sort of EQ curve, and though I've never played one it seems like it could be similar to the Hot Rails, but fuller/thicker. The Smashing Pumpkins sound comes from a Red Lace Sensor and lots of distortion pedals, and the Linkin Park sound comes from Dimarzio Air Zone/Tone Zone and a Dual Rectifier. Look into an Air Zone, it sits nicely between modern and vintage, its medium output, and is thick. Out of Duncans though you may check out the PATB1 (I know its not one of your primary choices but I have it in my strat right now and it sounds great with lots of gain for modern tones). I'd take a regular single over the Cool Rails for the neck, but if I had to use a SC-sized HB in the neck I'd take the Cool Rails or Lil 59. The Lil may be better for jazz tones.

You just have to make sure, your guitar being a snappy strat, that you don't get a pickup with too much treble. You'll end up turning your amp's treble knob down too much and likely lose definition. Smashing Pumpkins and Linkin Park tones can definitely be had with a PATB1 though, it sounds so good with lots of gain for modern rock. It's like "that" modern rock tone in a convenient strat package. And its articulate in a bolt-on. Do it! Many of SD's buckers are flavored vintage, but the PATB1 is designed specifically for getting modern rock tones out of strat-style guitars, which is what you're going for. If nothing else, it is probably the best starting point for you for experimenting with pickups in your strat. Another plus of the PATB1 is that it sounds REALLY GOOD at lower volumes - some pickups require you to crank the amp to get the tone to open up. Get it! Seymour made it for your guitar and your tonal desires!
 
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Stop messing around and get a PATB1!

Thank you for the insight. That's the kind of info I'm looking for. I glanced right over that pickup. Do you have any idea how it might sound compaired to the PATB2 or the Dimebucker? My strat has a maple fret board and an ash body so it's got a bright tone to it anyway. SD's website says that the bridge position PATB1 is hight output anyway so it might just be splitting hairs at that point.

I know it sounds like I'm having trouble commiting to one particular pickup but this is the first time I've ever put anything into one of my guitars. Usually I just leave them stock. And I want to make it a good one. So sorry if I'm asking a lot of dumb questions.
 
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There are some threads on here comparing the various PATBs if you do a search, but the main difference between the PATB1 and 2 is that the 2 is hotter and better for fast, precise work. I think the 2 is supposed to be more hi-fi too, though I wouldn't say the 1 is very hi-fi, just enough so for clarity and presence. I like to play fast rhythm palm mutes (sixteenth notes at 150-160 bpm), de-muting for accents, sort of like Shadows Fall's rhythm parts, and the PATB1 does it nicely. I've only played a Dean with a Dimebucker in Guitar Center and it was hot, the highs were aggressive, and there was a lot of all around chunk, it definitely handled lots of gain.

For what its worth, I just took the PATB1 out of my strat and put in a Virtual PAF Hot, and tried it with both an Alnico V and Alnico II magnet... and really, the sound isn't too terribly different. That's part of why I suggested the PATB1, because most pickups with the level of gain that Linkin Park and bands like that use end up sounding pretty similar - its more dependent on amp and guitar. I understand that you want to make it a good one, and I think the PATB1 would be as good a starting spot as any - you get an alnico magnet for a genuine feel, its one of Duncan's modern-voiced humbuckers, it has enough output to drive your amp but can still get good cleans if you keep the pickup low enough, its articulate with lots of gain, and it has some extra girth in its very tasty lower mids that gave the strat a little more thickness than with the VPAF Hot. It sounds "polished," I'd say, and only I took it out because I think it will match up with my Les Paul pretty nicely, plus I'm just curious how it will sound. My strat is alder though, and its pretty balanced sounding, but you may just use a 250k tone instead of a 500k. I ran mine through a 250k volume and 500k tone and even with both knobs all the way up the highs were never icepicky or overbearing, there were just lots of them.
 
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Re: Lookign for some advice on matching sounds

I think I've about got my mind made up about what pickups I am going to stick my HSS Strat. But I could use a little knowledge.

Bridge: Invader or Screamin Demon
Mid: Hot Rails
Neck: Hot Stack S2 or Cool Rails

How chunky and heavy is the Hot Rails?

Which is a chunkier between the Demon and the Invader?

Do you think the Hot Stack S2 would be a better companion for the Hot rails in the Neck position or the Cool Rails?

I tried a Hot Rails (Duncan Designed) in the Hot Rails Squier Strat. It was good in the bridge, but neck and middle positions with that pickup sounded horrible.
 
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