Looking for antiquity wind in normal affordable Strat p'up

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SJ318

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Hello, my smart informed forum. Thanks for reading.
I found a 9k wound s.coil, hotter than my TwangBanger, but not way over wound such as 13K. Problem, I could only find that wind on a 90 dollar antiquity s.coil. Does SD. Make a regular s.coil around 9k for a regulat Strat size single coil. I need the cover to fit over it, so big mag poles are out. I looked, and couldn't find. Please, I am a simple man, so let's leave induction and stuff like that out. I won't get it. Patronize me nicely, I don't mind. 13K is too dark in that big wind range s.coil. Must be true s.coil.
Is there one? Not looking for P-90.
Thanks, very respectfully,
Steve
 
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Not really. The Classic Stack might be the closest. 9k is pretty hot for 'vintage'..most of the true singles hover around 7k. Maybe a used Antiquity would be cheaper?
 
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Mincer said:
Not really. The Classic Stack might be the closest. 9k is pretty hot for 'vintage'..most of the true singles hover around 7k. Maybe a used Antiquity would be cheaper?
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Pretty much what I was thinking. The only 9K true Strat singles I can think of off the top of my head are the Antiquity 'Hot' bridge models.
 
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Have you tried SSL-5? It's hot but still spanky and not dark at all despite 13k resistance due to thinner wire.
 
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The Ant 9k version is actually 43 gauge......so not actually so hot. More like a 7.5k bridge pickup comparing like to like.

The ssl 5 is more like your 9-10k single as it too has thinner wire.
 
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Most true singles are wound 5 to 7.5k

That includes all the fancy stuff from Fender Custom Shop. Which for the most part sets industry standards and trends for singles.. seymour DOES have a couple noticeably tweaked ones and outliers, but the market for the most part is knockoffs of this or that Fender model, current or historic
 
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AlexR said:
The Ant 9k version is actually 43 gauge......so not actually so hot. More like a 7.5k bridge pickup comparing like to like.

The ssl 5 is more like your 9-10k single as it too has thinner wire.
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Yep. But it's not dark sounding, which seemed to be SJ's main concern with heavier wind.
 
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^ Agree. It is like the Goldilocks when it comes to hotter singles - just enough punch and just bright enough.

Steve - Look at Zhangbucker if you want a large range at slightly hotter than vintage....that area is his speciality
 
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To all of you:
Mincer, AlexR, Jacew, Adieu, dystrust - Hey, thanks, that was good information right on the nose. So it sounds like ssl-5 is what I need, or a PM to Mr. Zhangbucker. Hmmm. So the SL-5 really sounds bright? Not dull like today's best dummy coil no-hum Strat pup's out there? I do trust you guys. Very much. I believe (if I don't need any more surprise dental bills after tomorrow's check up) I will buy a ssl-5 p'up. If you say it's bright.
One other thing, not a deal breaker at all, but is the hum a lot worse as there is more wire? Or is it about the same as my TwangBanger at 8K? I must go to the product page and sus it out, as the Brit's say, price and cover fit. YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!! No ego crap, just the facts as I asked. You guys are ACES!
Steve Buffington.
 
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Yes,
It is seemingly perfect. Sound bite was good. AND: this is important TO ME: I flip the p'up 180 degrees so the lowest poles are under my thickest strings. FOR YOUR APPROVAL- I use a 9, 11.5, 16, 24, 38, 52 custom gauge, as the low A and E are so thick that it brings the floating trem I use (1.5 steps on the G string up pull open G to A#) back to tune and rest so fast you'd think you skinned your knees. (a trick I learned from Jeff Beck) Jeff uses a similar gauge for just this reason, consistently over the last 10 years or so, 9, 13, 17 28, 38 52, subject to minor change depending on where in the tour he is. This is a quote from him directly. So with the pup flipped 180 those low thick strings don't dominate and HELP KEEP THE OTHER STRINGS FAIRLY INTACT TENSION WISE when bending the high strings. Jeff doestn't flip his, it is a trick I figured out and it works. No phase problems as mag polarity does not change.
Your long winded (but working on it) fan:
Steve Buffinton.
Thanks, very much.
Steve.
 
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SJ318 said:
To all of you:
Mincer, AlexR, Jacew, Adieu, dystrust - Hey, thanks, that was good information right on the nose. So it sounds like ssl-5 is what I need, or a PM to Mr. Zhangbucker. Hmmm. So the SL-5 really sounds bright? Not dull like today's best dummy coil no-hum Strat pup's out there? I do trust you guys. Very much. I believe (if I don't need any more surprise dental bills after tomorrow's check up) I will buy a ssl-5 p'up. If you say it's bright.
One other thing, not a deal breaker at all, but is the hum a lot worse as there is more wire? Or is it about the same as my TwangBanger at 8K? I must go to the product page and sus it out, as the Brit's say, price and cover fit. YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!! No ego crap, just the facts as I asked. You guys are ACES!
Steve Buffington.
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Any reason you're sure a classic wire gauge hot wound single coil won't do what you want?

As someone explained, it seems the resistances of 9 and 13k you're looking at are a different wire gauge that behaves differently, and thus isn't indicative of what one would usually expect from a single coil of a specific ohmage
 
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SJ318 said:
Yes,
It is seemingly perfect. Sound bite was god. AND: this is important TO ME: I flip the p'up 180 degrees so the lowest poles are under my thickest strings. FOR YOUR APPROVAL- I use a 9, 11.5, 16, 24, 38, 52 custom gauge, as the low A and E are so thick that it brings the floating trem I use (1.5 steps on the G string up pull open G to A#) back to tune and rest so fast you'd think you skinned your knees. (a trick I learned from Jeff Beck) Jeff uses a similar gauge for just this reason, consistently over the last 10 years or so, 9, 13, 17 28, 38 52, subject to minor change depending on where in the tour he is. This is a quote from him directly. So with the pup flipped 180 those low thick strings don't dominate and HELP KEEP THE OTHER STRINGS FAIRLY INTACT TENSION WISE when bending the high strings. Jeff doestn't flip his, it is a trick I figured out and it works. No phase problems as mag polarity does not change.
Your long winded (but working on it) fan:
Steve Buffinton.
Thanks, very much.
Steve.
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Single coil mag pull on strings usually isn't all that much, and with classic stagger the real impact of flipping 180° will be isolated to D & G... EA vs BE can, for the most part, be adjusted by simply tilting the pickup (tightening/loosening screw on one side but not the other)

Also, EA cs BE to string height is imho intended to be nearly identical, the reason the EA poles sit soemwhat higher is that their strings are supposed to have lower action set via saddle adjustment


What youd really lose by flipping the pickup the slightly raised highE pole, which is meant to emphasize the strat's treble bite
 
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SJ318 said:
To all of you:
Mincer, AlexR, Jacew, Adieu, dystrust - Hey, thanks, that was good information right on the nose. So it sounds like ssl-5 is what I need, or a PM to Mr. Zhangbucker. Hmmm. So the SL-5 really sounds bright? Not dull like today's best dummy coil no-hum Strat pup's out there? I do trust you guys. Very much. I believe (if I don't need any more surprise dental bills after tomorrow's check up) I will buy a ssl-5 p'up. If you say it's bright.
One other thing, not a deal breaker at all, but is the hum a lot worse as there is more wire? Or is it about the same as my TwangBanger at 8K? I must go to the product page and sus it out, as the Brit's say, price and cover fit. YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!! No ego crap, just the facts as I asked. You guys are ACES!
Steve Buffington.
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I have an SSL-6T in my Strat and it definitely does not suffer from the same dull high end as a Fender Vintage Noiseless for example. It isn't as bright as an SSL-1/2 bridge (unless using the tap), but it still has plenty of high end spank. If you're looking for a fatter, smoother lead sound it should work great. I've never played a TwangBanger, but my SSL-6 doesn't seem to hum any louder than the SSL-2s I have in the neck and middle.
 
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Adieu,
I respectfully in the most friendly way possible disagree greatly with what you said about flipping the pup. This is from my own experience and what you said doesn't match what and why I am flipping it. But you a cool guy and I mean no hard feelings.
Also your comment on "classic wire gauge......etc." I did not understand at all. I don't know enough to answer your question. So now I doubt the sssl-5 recommendation.
dystrust -
I don't get the difference or why the ssl-6T was not mentioned. I am now in total confusion. Well, you guys are surely nice to add to the discussion but I am not knowledgable to answer or understand what you said. So rather than keep on sounding stupid in public. I will gracefully give up. I thought you all agreed and now I am confused. So much thanks but I was afraid this would happen. I don't know about thin vs. thick wire. I asked recommendation - thought ssl-5 was the response and now am lost. I am a nice guy, so please no insults if I can't follow you.
Steve Buffington.
 
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SJ318 said:
dystrust -
I don't get the difference or why the ssl-6T was not mentioned. I am now in total confusion. Well, you guys are surely nice to add to the discussion but I am not knowledgable to answer or understand what you said. So rather than keep on sounding stupid in public. I will gracefully give up. I thought you all agreed and now I am confused. So much thanks but I was afraid this would happen. I don't know about thin vs. thick wire. I asked recommendation - thought ssl-5 was the response and now am lost. I am a nice guy, so please no insults if I can't follow you.
Steve Buffington.
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The SSL-6 is a SSL-5 with flat poles instead of staggered; otherwise they're identical. My Strat is a Charvel with a 12" radius at the nut, and the flat poles give a much better string to string balance. If your Strat is a more typical 7.25" - 9.5" radius, the SSL-5 is probably a better option. The SSL-2s I have in the neck and middle positions are the flat-pole version of the SSL-1.

The 'T' suffix indicates that the pickup has a tap installed which halves the output. At full output it's a typical SSL-6, while tapped gives me something closer to the SSL-2s I have in the other positions. I only use the tapped output when I'm using the bridge and middle together as I find the tapped bridge a bit weak and bright on its own.
 
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Staggered magnets were done to compensate in string to string volume differences on the old nickel strings with a wound G.

The only reason they still make them that way is because they used to make them that way. Lol.

With modern strings it just makes things unbalanced sounding. I’ve always preferred the flat magnets. Or with a slight arch.






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DavidRavenMoon said:
Staggered magnets were done to compensate in string to string volume differences on the old nickel strings with a wound G.

The only reason they still make them that way is because they used to make them that way. Lol.

With modern strings it just makes things unbalanced sounding. I’ve always preferred the flat magnets. Or with a slight arch.






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I always prefer the staggered type. But it might very well be I just learned to use the imbalance. I quite often solo from g string for instance and do a lot of "main" riffing from middle strings as well.

It just seems to sound better. I've played that little with flat poles though I don't know if that makes any meaningful difference.

I think the biggest difference between SSL-5/SSL-6 and SSL-1/SSL-2 is the mids. With former having more balanced even tone and latter being scooped.

I don't think there's that much difference in highs though. Just that it seems like SSL-1/SSL-2 has more because of the scoop.
 
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Being a lefty and full 7.25" radius on all my SSS strats, I find the vintage stagger just fine as I naturally have it flipped like Steve does. As a contrast, I have some flat pole and evenly radiused pole pickups and they don't make me feel the vintage ones suffer by comparison.
It certainly does not result in the things Adieu seemed to think with regard to the heights of the outer poles.....the thin strings have higher poles and the thick strings lower poles - and the G pole is now in a much better place in relation to all the other plain strings too.
 
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Thanks,
I should have mentioned I scallop my necks, radius the frets to 22", and flatten the middle third of the frets. I dislike having to fight the wood and like being able to bend my high E,B strings all the way to the other side if I feel like it easy as butter with a LOT of string grip and no fretting out, ever. The flipped p'up makes much more sense if I had said that, and having those low poles under my VERY THICK A and E strings really does balance so much better. Anyone in Tacoma WA. is welcome to come over and hear. I had the worst few days of my life starting on Saturday and ending as bad as possible today. I should have answered this way. And no, I will not be affording anything for the foreseeable future, and I did say I don't get things like wire differences, it was part of my "etc." comment. Thanks for the very helpful tips I did get so now I guess I will bow out.
Thanks, Steve
 
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SJ318 said:
Thanks,
I should have mentioned I scallop my necks, radius the frets to 22", and flatten the middle third of the frets. I dislike having to fight the wood and like being able to bend my high E,B strings all the way to the other side if I feel like it easy as butter with a LOT of string grip and no fretting out, ever. The flipped p'up makes much more sense if I had said that, and having those low poles under my VERY THICK A and E strings really does balance so much better. Anyone in Tacoma WA. is welcome to come over and hear. I had the worst few days of my life starting on Saturday and ending as bad as possible today. I should have answered this way. And no, I will not be affording anything for the foreseeable future, and I did say I don't get things like wire differences, it was part of my "etc." comment. Thanks for the very helpful tips I did get so now I guess I will bow out.
Thanks, Steve
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You sure you haven't got any typos in there? Ain't much of a middle high point to flatten on a 22" radius
 
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