losing highs when vol turned down.
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MartinSixStringCustoms
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
Wire up a treble bleed mod. That will do the trick.
Wire up a treble bleed mod. That will do the trick.
Zhangliqun
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
Kinman mod is best. 130k resistor in series with .001uf capacitor across the two non-ground lugs of the volume pot.
Most treble bleeds use just the capacitor but to my ear that retains a little too much treble as you turn the rest of the signal down. The resistor makes it more even, makes it sound even a little more vintage as you roll back, almost like you switched the mag from A5 to A2.
Kinman mod is best. 130k resistor in series with .001uf capacitor across the two non-ground lugs of the volume pot.
Most treble bleeds use just the capacitor but to my ear that retains a little too much treble as you turn the rest of the signal down. The resistor makes it more even, makes it sound even a little more vintage as you roll back, almost like you switched the mag from A5 to A2.
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
I prefer the "50's Mod" over bright caps/treble bleed circuits. Installing a bright cap always sounds a little to edgey or crisp to me, although both Lindy Fralin and Kinman have come up with little R/C (resistor/capacitor) networks that sound smoother than a cap alone because the resistor is used to determine the amount of treble allowed to "bleed" across the volume pot. Without a resistor, the treble is like it is on "10" all the time, regardless of where the volume is set.
The 50's mod is simpler. The middle terminal of the tone control is usually connected to the same terminal of the volume pot that the pickup or output of the pickups selector switch is connected to. Move that connection to the middle termal (output) of the volume pot...if possible.
It's easy to do on Gibsons and Teles...harder to do on Strats. But Artie came up with a diagram of how to do it on Strats too.
Lew
I prefer the "50's Mod" over bright caps/treble bleed circuits. Installing a bright cap always sounds a little to edgey or crisp to me, although both Lindy Fralin and Kinman have come up with little R/C (resistor/capacitor) networks that sound smoother than a cap alone because the resistor is used to determine the amount of treble allowed to "bleed" across the volume pot. Without a resistor, the treble is like it is on "10" all the time, regardless of where the volume is set.
The 50's mod is simpler. The middle terminal of the tone control is usually connected to the same terminal of the volume pot that the pickup or output of the pickups selector switch is connected to. Move that connection to the middle termal (output) of the volume pot...if possible.
It's easy to do on Gibsons and Teles...harder to do on Strats. But Artie came up with a diagram of how to do it on Strats too.
Lew
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Lewguitar
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
You need to try both methods and decide for yourself.
I prefer the 50's mod...it sounds more natural and organic to me and not so crisp.
But you should try both so you actually KNOW what they sound like and how the two methods differ in tone.
The 50's mod is easier...that's for sure. I'd start with that just cuz it's easier. It's the method Gibson used in the 50's on some Les Pauls...the ones that sound best, IMO! And it's also how Hamer wires thier humbucker guitars...and it's how I wire all of mine. Every one.
However, you can retain more treble when you turn the volume control down using the treble bleed method...that's for sure too.
The thing to remember is that neither of these methods will make your guitar brighter when the guitar's volume is on "10"...they have their effect when you turn the volume on the guitar down.
Lew
You need to try both methods and decide for yourself.
I prefer the 50's mod...it sounds more natural and organic to me and not so crisp.
But you should try both so you actually KNOW what they sound like and how the two methods differ in tone.
The 50's mod is easier...that's for sure. I'd start with that just cuz it's easier. It's the method Gibson used in the 50's on some Les Pauls...the ones that sound best, IMO! And it's also how Hamer wires thier humbucker guitars...and it's how I wire all of mine. Every one.
However, you can retain more treble when you turn the volume control down using the treble bleed method...that's for sure too.
The thing to remember is that neither of these methods will make your guitar brighter when the guitar's volume is on "10"...they have their effect when you turn the volume on the guitar down.
Lew
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
Go with the Kinman mod. I "KNOW" it works from personal experience. I've also tried the 50's mod. Both are good, but I prefer the Kinman mod.
Go with the Kinman mod. I "KNOW" it works from personal experience. I've also tried the 50's mod. Both are good, but I prefer the Kinman mod.
J.LaGrassa
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
I would say try the 50's mod first but some pickups dont always clean up well what I usually do is add a small cap, for me I find a 150pF cap will keep things clear with out getting too thin and bright. If it is a little too bright then just back off the tone control to help it out!
I would say try the 50's mod first but some pickups dont always clean up well what I usually do is add a small cap, for me I find a 150pF cap will keep things clear with out getting too thin and bright. If it is a little too bright then just back off the tone control to help it out!
Karmadog777
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Re: losing highs when vol turned down.
remove the tone pot
yeh, thats the stuff!
remove the tone pot
yeh, thats the stuff!
