Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

A loose tuner nut and washer can cause this.

Also, be sure that the extra wrapping at the ball-end of the string is not touching the apex of the saddle.

Bill
 
Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

I had this issue, and the brass nut was the source. I can't for the life of me remember if I was told that putting a capo on the first fret was a way for checking this, or whether I've mixed that up with something else.
 
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Update: Thanks for the advice everyone. In response to some of your suggestions here's what I've ruled out/tried diagnostically:

1. It's not the String Gauge/Age/Damaged Strings etc. Changed strings to lower gauge same problem.
2. The B string does not induce a different or louder vibration at the bridge or anywhere else when plucked alone.
3. It's not the nut. I had this issue both before and after a brand new bone nut was cut.
4. It's not the saddles. Had this issue both before and after the installation of a new hard tail bridge. I've checked springs, set screws, witness, ball end wraps etc.
5. It's not the tuning machines. When I restrung I greased and tightened all tuning machines. All in good order.
6. It's not a loose part anywhere. I've thoroughly gone through every conceivable part including truss rod (as mentioned before)
7. It's not a high fret. My Luthier told me things look pretty straight and flat. He said the relief is good and the action is about medium. No need for fret work was his input.
8. Putting a capo on at frets 1-3 does not make the problem go away.
9. Playing an open G chord with the G doubled on the high E string (putting your pinkey down on 3rd fret) then playing E minor leaving your fingers on high E and B (think wonderwall) is when this problem is the worst. Could it be how I fret these chords?
10. My Mesa Lonestar Special highlights the issue, where my blackstar HT Club 50 totally hides the problem (again I can hear this acoustically). The mesa just seems to be propagating a lot more harmonics.

As you can see, I'm trying to follow every suggestion very carefully. Thanks all.
 
Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

^^^ put some medical rubber inside the springs. This will reduce the .... reverb hopefully :)
 
Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

sounds like uneven fret wear.
if it aint that then your symptoms read like pups are too high.
Still, it is one of those things hard to diagnose without having the guitar in my hands.
 
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It's not pickup height as I've lowered pickups and the problem persists. I will test the springs. I guess just jam some cotton in around them or something? I'll figure it out. Starting to feel like I'll never isolate the issue on my own. I think I will bring it to a Luthier.
 
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A problem like this can drive you nuts, I know. There have been a lot of good suggestions given here, which unfortunately haven't helped yet. Taking it to a tech might be your best bet, if damping the springs doesn't help. I hope you get it sorted out soon. Please let us know what happens and what the root cause was, if and when the tech gets it sorted.
 
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Update: Weird Stuff. Help!

I am taking it to a tech soon. I live about an hour away so it's taken me a while to get up the nerve. In the humid weather several frets have popped up. Perhaps their being loose was part of the problem??

Here's the really surprising thing... I plugged another guitar into my amp and the same problem arises. The pitches of ringing overtone seem to be the same and are instigated by the same chords on both guitars. Can ringing overtones be a problem in the amp??? I can find nothing online about this. WHAT THE HECK!

Anyone else have an amp produce harsh ringing (enharmonic beating) types of things coming from an amp.
 
Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

Sounds like a bad tube then.

I agree with this. I had a combo amp a while back that had a weird ringing/vibration on a D note. Turned out it was tube rattle. A fresh set of power tubes was the fix. Combo amps seem to be especially prone to this type of thing.
On the plus side, it seems your guitar is fine.
 
Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

I totally have had bad tubes do this with specific notes. It almost sounds like feedback, but does it at any volume, at any gain level.
 
Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

New Power and pre-amp tubes... and the problem is still there. Anything besides tubes cause this sort of thing? I am taking the whole rig to a tech in a few weeks. I will give an update after that.
 
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The tech is best suited/placed to sort these things out.
 
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I had a similar issue when I put a high mass tremolo bridge in one of my strats, I changed nut, saddles ( I’d already done a fret level, crown and polish) but it actually I’ve come to considering it a pleasant musical quality. But it’s now relegated to open D and slide as slide tone kills it!
Here’s a weird one:
I did have a similar problem on another guitar and even after string changes it still happened. I found the source- some lint type fluff built up in the tremolo sustain block so each time I restrung a tone tiny piece of fluff attached to the string causing crazy harmonics - I finally spotted it pulled off the fluff which needed sharp tweezers and cleaned out the block. Problem cured !


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I plugged another guitar into my amp and the same problem arises.
As others have said...It's your amp. Specifically a microphonic tube.

Turn your amp on. Tap all the tubes gently with a pencil of chopstick. One of them will make a ringing sound.
Throw it out.
Replace the rest and keep them as spares.
 
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It could also be a filter capacitor going bad.
Let the tech do their job.

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Re: Loud overtones harsh overringing harmonics - HELP

Put a hairband on the strings past the nut, then go from there
 
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