Mag swap Antiquity humbucker - which one?

TattooedCarrot

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I have a set of double cream Ants in an Eastman Les Paul (awesome LP by the way) and in this one the bridge isn't quite what I'm looking for. I'm looking to tighten things up just a tad and add a little umph to it without sacrificing too much from the classic character of the Ant which is very open and sensitive. It originally came with a covered Lollar Imperial which is 8.4k (same as my Ant) and it was pretty good. The Lollar came with a degassed A5 I believe.

I have ordered the below magnets from Addiction-FX on ebay to test out.

  • A2 (magnetized, rough cast)
  • A4 (magnetized, rough cast)
  • UOA5 (magnetized, rough cast)
Thoughts?



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Re: Mag swap Antiquity humbucker - which one?

Roughcast A4s might sound nice. I've also heard good reviews of A3 in the neck and UOA5 in the bridge. I've never tried them any way other than stock myself.
 
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I have only tried RCA5 and UOA5 so far. I plan to try RCA4 next...
 
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2x thick A5 will add output and not be as squishy as A2.
 
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2x thick a5? you dont even like tone do you? :D

ive had a uoa5 in the bridge of an ant bucker and it was great. i ended up going back to the stock a2 but i know thats not for everyone. the uoa5 tightened up the bottom and added a bit of bite to the top without losing too much of the stuff i like about the stock mag
 
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In an Antiquity? What were your opinions on those?

Yes, in a Les Paul. The RCA5 has too much top end sizzle. The normal A5 sound was there, but it was just a tad over the top. The UOA5 was better but really seemed to be a slightly different flavor of the A2.

I have read where some say the UOA5 is the best of A2 and A5, and maybe that is true in something like a Seth. I do not normally care for A2 based pickups, but the Ants don't sound (to my ears) like a typical A2 based pickup, the UOA5 didn't really make enough of a difference to me.

The fatal flaw in my testing is I have gone too long between magnet swaps. I had put the LP I was using into storage, forgetting it was the guitar I was using to test the different magnets, and have yet to get it back out.

I have another set of uncovered Ants coming and will do some further back to back comparisons.
 
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No but I don’t like normal a5 in there as much as uoa5 and I like a2 and degaussed a2 better still so I’m pretty sure a 2x a5 wouldn’t be anything I’d like
 
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I have A4/UOA5 and A4/A8 in my Ants. If its a brite and attacky Les Paul, the A8 works great.The A2 and A3 did not shine in the neck, A2 and a A5 in the Bridge did not float my boat either.
 
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I know this is thinking outside the box, but something to consider. I have a 59b that I thought was rather anemic so I started swapping magnets. UOA5 didn't make that much of a difference. A8 took it WAY over the top with Duncan Distortion like output and high end. I picked up an A6 from Addiction-FX and found the perfect balance for my Les Paul! Tight, clear, and cutting without excess compression. Just my opinion.

I have a set of Ants I just got and stuck them in my R9. I haven't played at volume yet with my band. If the bridge doesn't bring the goods I'm looking for I'm going to try an A6 in there as well........
 
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FYI when the Ant came out, the hot ticket (on the (not My) Les Paul forum) was a full strength A2. This was around 2002 I think. Times and tones have changed since then. I've never had Ant's myself.
 
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A2, A4, and UOA5 all seem like viable choices on paper, just not sure which to try first (hoping to get it right the first time.) I think A6 and A8 are getting too far off track for what I'm looking for. I'm just looking to keep the same basic vibe, just a tad more rock type umph from the bridge and tighten up the loosness a little without losing the openess or responsiveness.
 
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Start with the UOA5

I am curious to know what your thoughts are.
 
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Hey brother, i was flamed here for putting a A6 in a repaired 59B (more windings on the rewound boobin). But i still like it. I bought two A6 from a forum bro (and for the heck of it i cant remember in which humbucker i put the second one.) In my book they are like A5 with a bit more mids and volume.
 
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You're another one that isn't entirely thrilled with deguassed A2's. They're one of the weakest magnets at full strength, and degaussing drops the output even more. I think a full strength A2 or an UOA5 are the best way to go in an Ant to still keep it's character. A4 has a very different sound and a flatter EQ; doesn't have the rich sonic texture that is unique to A2 and UOA5, so you'd get a little more treble and output, but have a more sterile sound. A8 & A6 are warm but higher output, and again the texture would be gone.

Try the A2 & UOA5, and lower the neck Ant a little to make the bridge seem stronger in comparison. PAF's are about tone quality, not output. For those used to high output bridge PU's, it may take a little getting used to.
 
Mag swap Antiquity humbucker - which one?

I can’t comment on an Antiquity, but IME in general, if you go roughcast, A2, A4 and UOA5 sound like blood brothers. The EQ shift is less severe. The A4 isn’t so flat and has a slight mid-bump like an A2 but louder sounding perceptually overall (louder perceptually because of the EQ change, not actual output), to me the UOA5 sounds like an A4, but with brighter top end, slightly softer mids and a touch more thump on the bottom. It’s like subtlety bumping the EQ barely a notch.
 
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As someone who's swapped many magnets, I don't think A4's sound anything like an UOA5. I hear A2's and UOA5's as being very close, with their feel and texture. Unlike other magnets, A4's don't have much of an EQ push in any direction, so many players find them plain sounding. They also lack the texture of A2's and UOA5's. That can work more often in the neck slot, as that position inheently adds mids and low end. But in the bridge, A4's can be bland.

A2's really don't have a 'slight' mid bump. They have a good dose of mids. What they have a slight amount of is treble.
 
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I don't think A4's sound anything like an UOA5.
I totally concur.
I hear A2's and UOA5's as being very close, with their feel and texture.
The biggest differences are these: 1. the highs in the UOA5 are more present, more "crunchy", so to speak, (kinda a small peak in the high mids) and in the lows the UOA5 have a "spongy" quality not present in A2s, being more evident in the neck position than in the bridge position.
Unlike other magnets, A4's don't have much of an EQ push in any direction, so many players find them plain sounding.
Yeah, that's very true... although IME, those players are mostly used to the inherent A5s "scooped" EQ, that's why they find A4s "bland", but in most cases this have very rapidly changed once they start using those pesky knobs in the amp, and they start to hear for the first time the unmasked tonal beauty of their own instruments in a way thay never thought possible... the rest are most probably suffering of some degree of tone-deafness, so no hope there, I'm afraid. You just can't save'em all!
(A4s)They also lack the texture of A2's and UOA5's.
I don't quite agree with this statement... A4s can provide a very rich harmonic texture, giving the instrument a feel of a 3-Dimensional quality, specially when doing complex chordwork, but I'd say this is more tied to correctly setup the height from the p'ups to the strings, aka "sweet spot", although the A4's inherent articulation is higher than A2s and UOA5s in any case, and so is the pick attack.

The trick I often employ when swapping A4 mags in PAFish p'up SETS is that I use a SHORT A4 (2.36") for the neck and a long (2.5") for the bridge. This mag combo tends to better compliment each other and helping to find the "sweet spot" for each one individually and give a more pleasant "chirp" when in the "both-on" position. Try it to believe it! ;)

Seth Lovers and Antiquties are the most desirable platforms for mag swaps, followed by '59s, PGs and A2PHs, without forgetting of course the Custom family and my personal favorite, the 59/Custom.

Hope this to somehow help to dispel some myths and general misconceptions and misinformation about mag swapping and their outcomes.

Also, I'd like to personally thank Rick, aka Blueman335 for all the work he's done in mag swapping and his selflessness in sharing it with the fine folk of the SDUGF for so many years. Without him, I don't think they'll be that many people interested in the realm of mag swapping all over the web as they're today. Giving credit when credit is due. Thank you Rick! Happy New Year for you and your family!

Yours very truly,

/Peter
 
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