magnet swap alnico slash
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
A5's give a sharp high end, scooped mids, and a lot of firm bass, sometimes too much in the neck slot. They'll totally change the sound of those PU's. I'm assuming you're using 500K for all the pots, if not, you should.
Rather than A5, I'd go with A4's or UOA5's, which are inbetween an A2 and A5. They'll keep some of the original sound, and should fix the issues you're having.
A5's give a sharp high end, scooped mids, and a lot of firm bass, sometimes too much in the neck slot. They'll totally change the sound of those PU's. I'm assuming you're using 500K for all the pots, if not, you should.
Rather than A5, I'd go with A4's or UOA5's, which are inbetween an A2 and A5. They'll keep some of the original sound, and should fix the issues you're having.
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
i use a good amount of gain. Mostly brown sound. The lows on the neck are just flubby. The bridge is good just a bit weak , could use more chunk. I'm think of swapping for Custom/Jazz. Interesting on the A4 i already ordered the A5's. well see
i use a good amount of gain. Mostly brown sound. The lows on the neck are just flubby. The bridge is good just a bit weak , could use more chunk. I'm think of swapping for Custom/Jazz. Interesting on the A4 i already ordered the A5's. well see
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
Never tried it in a Slash, but a A2P is an alnico 2 Jazz and a jazz is the SD take on an ideal t-top.
Luke
Never tried it in a Slash, but a A2P is an alnico 2 Jazz and a jazz is the SD take on an ideal t-top.
Luke
51501984
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Re: magnet swap alnico slash
I was gonna suggest a clean boost to tighten up the flubby lows . Have you tried playing with the height of the bridge pickup
I was gonna suggest a clean boost to tighten up the flubby lows . Have you tried playing with the height of the bridge pickup
LtKojak
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Re: magnet swap alnico slash
Oh man... on what exactly do you base this statement?
I mean... you already know I don't agree with the Jazz/APH thing, but to say a Jazz is based on an "ideal T-Top", is new to me.
Can you cite your source?
Oh man... on what exactly do you base this statement?
I mean... you already know I don't agree with the Jazz/APH thing, but to say a Jazz is based on an "ideal T-Top", is new to me.
Can you cite your source?
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
My ears/the tone, the specs, it's not wound on the leesona? On top of all that look at the time frame it was developed and what the "normal" Gibson pickup was at the time. Ever notice how the wire is different from PAFs, but somehow similar to the jazz/a2p (which coincidentally use the same wire)
Kojak I understand you don't agree with me, and I know you think we are in on a massive conspiracy too. That said I don't appreciate your condescending tone, I don't even know you but Ive always tried to treat you with at least some decency. If you find my posts so offensive feel free to put me on your ignore list.
My ears/the tone, the specs, it's not wound on the leesona? On top of all that look at the time frame it was developed and what the "normal" Gibson pickup was at the time. Ever notice how the wire is different from PAFs, but somehow similar to the jazz/a2p (which coincidentally use the same wire)
Kojak I understand you don't agree with me, and I know you think we are in on a massive conspiracy too. That said I don't appreciate your condescending tone, I don't even know you but Ive always tried to treat you with at least some decency. If you find my posts so offensive feel free to put me on your ignore list.
idsnowdog
Imperator of Indignation
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
There are a number of things you can try. Turn the pickup 180 degrees so that the poles face the bridge and then radius the poles. You could replace the fillister screws with hex head screws to dip out the midrange. You could also try a A3 or A4 magnet instead. A3 magnets are sweet, clear and bright which might solve your problems. A4 magnets are very even sounding, tight and are lower power solving balance problems.
There are a number of things you can try. Turn the pickup 180 degrees so that the poles face the bridge and then radius the poles. You could replace the fillister screws with hex head screws to dip out the midrange. You could also try a A3 or A4 magnet instead. A3 magnets are sweet, clear and bright which might solve your problems. A4 magnets are very even sounding, tight and are lower power solving balance problems.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
I can't speak to the Slash versions of the Alnico II Pro's but the original Alnico II Pro's and the Jazz do use the same coil. I can't for the life of me imagine why it is even being debated...it had been speculated here over and over and over again and was confirmed a few months ago by Evan as fact so I see no point in beating that horse any longer.
As for adding a bit more to the pickups you have going to Alnico 5 in the neck will give you a more solid low end but it will also give you a LOT more of that low end which might get a bit wooly.
Bridge...that's tough. going to alnico 5 will give you a sharper sound with less mids and a more bold low end but I don't think you'll get a lot more power...if you want more power you might need to get a hotter pickup.
I can't speak to the Slash versions of the Alnico II Pro's but the original Alnico II Pro's and the Jazz do use the same coil. I can't for the life of me imagine why it is even being debated...it had been speculated here over and over and over again and was confirmed a few months ago by Evan as fact so I see no point in beating that horse any longer.
As for adding a bit more to the pickups you have going to Alnico 5 in the neck will give you a more solid low end but it will also give you a LOT more of that low end which might get a bit wooly.
Bridge...that's tough. going to alnico 5 will give you a sharper sound with less mids and a more bold low end but I don't think you'll get a lot more power...if you want more power you might need to get a hotter pickup.
LtKojak
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Re: magnet swap alnico slash
Seems that you and I don't hear things the same way.
What specs? The only thing in common is the type of wire, as the source and thickness of the coating is not the same. The rest is all different. Number of turns, TPL, coil geometry, alloy used in screws, slugs and keepers. What is left to be similar?
Not the APHs nor the Jazzs are wound on the Leesona, but neither were the T-Tops.
So you're basically saying that Seymour cloned a T-Top and sold it like his own not only once, but twice, just changing the name and the magnet?
Man, I just can't believe you could think so low of Seymour.
You can keep repeating the same story over and over until the end of time, if you so wish. I couldn't care less.
Just, so you know; you're wrong. And it doesn't help the persons coming here in good faith asking for advice. That's why you and I come here for after all, isn't it?
Food for thought, Luke.
Having said that, NOW you can add me to your ignore list, if that's what you want.
Seems that you and I don't hear things the same way.
What specs? The only thing in common is the type of wire, as the source and thickness of the coating is not the same. The rest is all different. Number of turns, TPL, coil geometry, alloy used in screws, slugs and keepers. What is left to be similar?
Not the APHs nor the Jazzs are wound on the Leesona, but neither were the T-Tops.
So you're basically saying that Seymour cloned a T-Top and sold it like his own not only once, but twice, just changing the name and the magnet?
Man, I just can't believe you could think so low of Seymour.
You can keep repeating the same story over and over until the end of time, if you so wish. I couldn't care less.
Just, so you know; you're wrong. And it doesn't help the persons coming here in good faith asking for advice. That's why you and I come here for after all, isn't it?
Food for thought, Luke.
Having said that, NOW you can add me to your ignore list, if that's what you want.
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JeffB
Let it B
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
If you are having these flubby issues with the Slashers, the issue is elsewhere. Either not adjusted properly, amp EQ, insane gain,fingers, guitar, strings,etc. they are extremely articulate like a good single coil..even at brown sound levels of gain... and have much more punch than standard a2ps. Though they are not super heavy on mids. They are also very bright and crisp like a good T top. Putting a polished a5 in will turn them into a set of razor blades.
The coils are different on the Slash model, and they are defintely a big step up from the originals.
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If you are having these flubby issues with the Slashers, the issue is elsewhere. Either not adjusted properly, amp EQ, insane gain,fingers, guitar, strings,etc. they are extremely articulate like a good single coil..even at brown sound levels of gain... and have much more punch than standard a2ps. Though they are not super heavy on mids. They are also very bright and crisp like a good T top. Putting a polished a5 in will turn them into a set of razor blades.
The coils are different on the Slash model, and they are defintely a big step up from the originals.
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51501984
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Re: magnet swap alnico slash
You might want to see post #12 , my rig and ears are very sensitive to flubby lows and its never been the fault of the magnet after I had got it dialed out. If your dead set on a mag swap from what your describing with the bridge pickup I'd put an A8 in there before an A5
You might want to see post #12 , my rig and ears are very sensitive to flubby lows and its never been the fault of the magnet after I had got it dialed out. If your dead set on a mag swap from what your describing with the bridge pickup I'd put an A8 in there before an A5
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
There's been no question about that for a long time
My mistake an Italian was working in Kalamazoo in the late 60s and early 70s as the chief winder and contrary to belief of the vast majority of international forum members on here and TGP and every other guitar forum there are scads upon scads of vintage Gibsons in Europe. Shoot there are so many they probably give them away so I know you've done tons and tons of research, dissected them all, and then put them all back together right? The whole "dazzle em with brilliance, or baffle them with BS" doesn't work on me man. I said an idealized t-top. The target is the SOUND, just like the Slash A2P is the SOUND. Look at the DCR, compare it to t-tops and I'd wager that a t-top's resonant peak won't be too dissimilar either.
Well I have nothing to contest here, but I am saying the SD winds the PAFs on the Leesona winder.
Yeah I'm attacking Seymour's abilities, nice deflection. There are only so many ways to put wire on a bobbin, and it makes Seymour that much MORE of a genius because his designs are good enough to do that. That said you and I both know that the T-tops had shorter mags than PAFs and that Jazzes and A2Ps have the same length as PAFs true to the original. Thus me saying that the jazz is idealized.
Obviously you do care or you wouldn't make a point to pick a fight every time.
No Pepe, I'm not just like I'm not part of a vast conspiracy to confuse everyone.
He did indeed, and I gave him advice, but you felt it necessary to pick a fight instead of just commenting on tonal changes.
I don't believe in them but since you obviously find my posts so distasteful I thought it might help enhance your forum experience.
There's been no question about that for a long time
My mistake an Italian was working in Kalamazoo in the late 60s and early 70s as the chief winder and contrary to belief of the vast majority of international forum members on here and TGP and every other guitar forum there are scads upon scads of vintage Gibsons in Europe. Shoot there are so many they probably give them away so I know you've done tons and tons of research, dissected them all, and then put them all back together right? The whole "dazzle em with brilliance, or baffle them with BS" doesn't work on me man. I said an idealized t-top. The target is the SOUND, just like the Slash A2P is the SOUND. Look at the DCR, compare it to t-tops and I'd wager that a t-top's resonant peak won't be too dissimilar either.
Well I have nothing to contest here, but I am saying the SD winds the PAFs on the Leesona winder.
Yeah I'm attacking Seymour's abilities, nice deflection. There are only so many ways to put wire on a bobbin, and it makes Seymour that much MORE of a genius because his designs are good enough to do that. That said you and I both know that the T-tops had shorter mags than PAFs and that Jazzes and A2Ps have the same length as PAFs true to the original. Thus me saying that the jazz is idealized.
Obviously you do care or you wouldn't make a point to pick a fight every time.
No Pepe, I'm not just like I'm not part of a vast conspiracy to confuse everyone.
He did indeed, and I gave him advice, but you felt it necessary to pick a fight instead of just commenting on tonal changes.
I don't believe in them but since you obviously find my posts so distasteful I thought it might help enhance your forum experience.
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
Calm down doods. You probably agree on more than you disagree. TGWIF is correct, people from the company have confirmed the A2Pro and Jazz share the same coils, and the magnet is what makes them different. If you want to say whether either if them sound like a good T-Top, I think it's fair to say that if all you had to compare them to were Gibson pickups, all the plain enamel Duncan humbuckers are more PAF-ish and the A2Pro/Jazz are more T-Top-ish. It's a loose generalization, just like saying the Slash coils are "more like" a Shaw-era coil.
None of them are clones, and in the case of the A2Pro/Jazz and the Slash, neither was designed to target a different pickup. The Jazz wasn't designed to be "like a T-Top" it was just coincidence that both Seymour and Gibson were using a poly coated wire instead of plain enamel for those projects. The Slash wasn't targeting an existing pickup either. It was conceived entirely as a means of targeting a specific tone, given the instruments parameters and limitations.
But I do find myself recommending Jazz and A2Pros to people who say "I had a great T-Top once and liked it".
As for mag swaps in the Slash, absolutely. A4 would be my go-to. A5 will be great too.
Calm down doods. You probably agree on more than you disagree. TGWIF is correct, people from the company have confirmed the A2Pro and Jazz share the same coils, and the magnet is what makes them different. If you want to say whether either if them sound like a good T-Top, I think it's fair to say that if all you had to compare them to were Gibson pickups, all the plain enamel Duncan humbuckers are more PAF-ish and the A2Pro/Jazz are more T-Top-ish. It's a loose generalization, just like saying the Slash coils are "more like" a Shaw-era coil.
None of them are clones, and in the case of the A2Pro/Jazz and the Slash, neither was designed to target a different pickup. The Jazz wasn't designed to be "like a T-Top" it was just coincidence that both Seymour and Gibson were using a poly coated wire instead of plain enamel for those projects. The Slash wasn't targeting an existing pickup either. It was conceived entirely as a means of targeting a specific tone, given the instruments parameters and limitations.
But I do find myself recommending Jazz and A2Pros to people who say "I had a great T-Top once and liked it".
As for mag swaps in the Slash, absolutely. A4 would be my go-to. A5 will be great too.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
LtKojak
New member
Re: magnet swap alnico slash
Ok.
For the record: I STAND CORRECTED 'bout the Jazz/APH saga.
Looks like I need to revision my process of measuring a coil for an accurate rewind.
My apologies to TGWIF and Luke Duke.
I'd like to thank Frank Falbo, a person that I fully trust, for saying the final word so we can all put this diverb to rest.
HTH,
Ok.
For the record: I STAND CORRECTED 'bout the Jazz/APH saga.
Looks like I need to revision my process of measuring a coil for an accurate rewind.
My apologies to TGWIF and Luke Duke.
I'd like to thank Frank Falbo, a person that I fully trust, for saying the final word so we can all put this diverb to rest.
HTH,
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Re: magnet swap alnico slash
So if I put an A2 mag in a Jazz (neck pickup), I would essentially end up with an A2 Pro, correct?
So if I put an A2 mag in a Jazz (neck pickup), I would essentially end up with an A2 Pro, correct?
