Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

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I have a HB wound at 11.5k DcR with 46 SWG wire (SWG, Standard Wire Gauge is the British equivalent gauge to 42.5 AWG...)

I'm curious as to which magnet a pickup with this spec/wind/wire gauge would get along best with... theoretically of course! I understand that DCR doesn't mean anything by itself without knowing the wire gauge or number of turns.

For example, a pickup wound with 42 AWG at 11.5k could work really well with an A5 magnet, however the same A5 mag may not work so well in an 11.5k pickup wound with 43 AWG... (because the wire thickness + number of turns would be different therefore may have a much different freq response)

Any ideas or explanations ??

 

[Mincer]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

Well DCR means less when comparing very different styles of pickups: like stacked pickups vs true single coils, or singles vs humbuckers. Personally, I think a humbucker like you have would be more of a bridge pickup for me, but it might be a great neck pickup for a metal player.

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

11k with 46 AWG is not a lot of wire. 4,500 turns of 44 is about 7k.

Don’t wind pickups using DC resistance. Wind by turns. For for example a standard PAF is around 5,000 turns of 42 on each bobbin. A Duncan JB is about 6,500 turns of 44.

The reason hotter pickups use thinner wire is because thicker wire won’t fit. To generalize thinner wire has more mids and a tighter low end, assuming you are winding the same number of turns as something like 42AWG. Thicker wire like 41 or 40 has a round, hollowish tone with lows of lows and highs.

So you have what seems like a fairly low wind pickup. The resistance is high because of the super thin wire. That won’t make it louder. More turns = more output. How many turns did you wind?

This pickup will probably be very bright, so try an A5 or even A2.


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[evh_slash]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

11k with 46 AWG is not a lot of wire. 4,500 turns of 44 is about 7k.

Don’t wind pickups using DC resistance. Wind by turns. For for example a standard PAF is around 5,000 turns of 42 on each bobbin. A Duncan JB is about 6,500 turns of 44.

The reason hotter pickups use thinner wire is because thicker wire won’t fit. To generalize thinner wire has more mids and a tighter low end, assuming you are winding the same number of turns as something like 42AWG. Thicker wire like 41 or 40 has a round, hollowish tone with lows of lows and highs.

So you have what seems like a fairly low wind pickup. The resistance is high because of the super thin wire. That won’t make it louder. More turns = more output. How many turns did you wind?

This pickup will probably be very bright, so try an A5 or even A2.


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Its 46 SWG , apparently its the British equivalent to 42.5 AWG . (SWG = Standard Wire Gauge, AWG = American Wire Gauge!)

 

[AlexR]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

There is no 'best'. Additionally, there is no spec that will tell you what mag works in any pickup. Not the least because there are no specs that fully give you what a pickup actually sounds like. There are a lot of pickups with a variety of mags at practically any K point. As another example, the c/59 hybrid takes well to almost all mags, and thats just one pickup not a hypothetical case of any number of pickups at a certain K reading.

You need a player and a rig to tell tone and feel......and as soon as you're at that point, then personal opinion has wholly taken over. And so the original question becomes irrelevant.

 

[Adieu]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

With an AlNiCo 5 magnet, it could be a close approximation of a Screamin Demon (TB12 overwound 5%, or SH12 overwound 14%)

Well, polepieces aside...


AlNiCo 8 mods to Demons were also popular for a while.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

symmetrical coils? planning on using this in the bridge or neck position? 11.5k of #42.5 wire is a nice middle of the road pup, probably a little hotter than a paf but not over the top

 

[evh_slash]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

symmetrical coils? planning on using this in the bridge or neck position? 11.5k of #42.5 wire is a nice middle of the road pup, probably a little hotter than a paf but not over the top

SYMMETRICAL Coils , bridge position. It already has an A8 but id love to try something a bit less fat and brutal without either mushing out or being too scooped/brash.

 

[evh_slash]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

With an AlNiCo 5 magnet, it could be a close approximation of a Screamin Demon (TB12 overwound 5%, or SH12 overwound 14%)

Well, polepieces aside...


AlNiCo 8 mods to Demons were also popular for a while.

I like the sound of that !! Seeing as the demon is wound to 10k with 43awg I hope the A5 mag wont get too muchy or boomy with the slugs and slightly thicker wire gauge...what do you think ?

 

[Adieu]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

I like the sound of that !! Seeing as the demon is wound to 10k with 43awg I hope the A5 mag wont get too muchy or boomy with the slugs and slightly thicker wire gauge...what do you think ?

The TB12 is spec'd to be wound 10.9k , so within ~5% of yours.... pickup winders ain't big on obsessing over tiny tolerances, pretty sure many Demon Trembuckers measure 11.5k in the wild

My SH12 Demon measures 9.8k despite being spec'd 10.1k. Seymour just isn't very accuracy-minded

 

[evh_slash]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

The TB12 is spec'd to be wound 10.9k , so within ~5% of yours.... pickup winders ain't big on obsessing over tiny tolerances, pretty sure many Demon Trembuckers measure 11.5k in the wild

My SH12 Demon measures 9.8k despite being spec'd 10.1k. Seymour just isn't very accuracy-minded

Different wire gauge though. The demon is underwound using thinner 43 AWG, so the Slightly thicker 42.5 wire + higher DCR = more winds so tonally would probably still be a little hotter & less bright! Still worth a try though. The demon would need to be wound to around 12.6 - 13k to thicken up a bit more like this particular pickup . I think I'll definitely give the A5 a try and may cut the pole screws short to tighten up the bass !

 

[Adieu]

Re: Magnet vs Wire Gauge / Wind

Different wire gauge though. The demon is underwound using thinner 43 AWG, so the Slightly thicker 42.5 wire + higher DCR = more winds so tonally would probably still be a little hotter & less bright! Still worth a try though. The demon would need to be wound to around 12.6 - 13k to thicken up a bit more like this particular pickup . I think I'll definitely give the A5 a try and may cut the pole screws short to tighten up the bass !

Yeah I guess the guage does actually translate to ~9% diameter difference.... still probably gonna be similar