Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

Additional...one of the wisest things that any business owner can take on board is the saying 'you can't please everyone'. Not only is it a treatise on the inevitability of warranty issues, but its a warning about trying to do too much. No matter how much stock you carry, there will always be someone who wants whetever you dont stock....and there you are in the situation you are in business to try and overcome.
The best business plans are always simple.
 
Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

Additional...one of the wisest things that any business owner can take on board is the saying 'you can't please everyone'. Not only is it a treatise on the inevitability of warranty issues, but its a warning about trying to do too much. No matter how much stock you carry, there will always be someone who wants whetever you dont stock....and there you are in the situation you are in business to try and overcome.
The best business plans are always simple.
 
Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

I wish you luck if you try to move forward with your idea, OP, but you're in for a rough ride and a steep/expensive learning curve.

Keep that thought train rolling, though...eventually something will come of it. ;)
 
Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

If you're that handy,mebbe just start a Tech Service(set-ups,p/up-hardware swaps,etc) to start off with.

Then perhaps let the customers do some entire assemblies for them as your rep builds.

Thats how a buddy of mine started, and it's still the bulk of his business. Setups and repairs. He does build custom guitars and speaker cabs to order. Cabs around $400 for a 2×12 and guitars starting around $800. He has good relationships with a couple of dfife rent suppliers and winds his own pickups to keep costs down. The pic in my signature is the vertical 2×12 and matching she'll for my MkV that he made for me.
 
Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

My purpose would be to make a 500$ guitar that would allow a lot of customization



With all the overhead and fixed costs, you can't begin to make a profit on a $500 guitar unless you can sell hundreds of them. You've got be to be able to purchase in bulk to get decent materials pricing. You're looking at spending tens of thousands of dollars upfront, before you start selling anything. That's why the vast majority of small businesses fail: they run thru all their cash and can't pay the bills with their small initial sales. Classic story that plays out every day. You need capital from an investor(s) to start a business, especially in manufacturing. They're going to want a detailed business plan before handing you money. A 'can't miss' idea isn't enough.

There's a lot of skill and experience required to make a good guitar...what is your background? Your idea seems to revolve pickguards, and complete guitars are a huge step from that. There's already custom pickguard makers, like WD, Allparts, Greasy Groove, & Warmouth. What can you offer that they don't, and how can you make a profit doing it? Who's your market?

You'll make far money with a regular day job, than you would making guitars or pickguards.
 
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First, welcome!! Second, Yes, as others have said, skimping on profit is not a good business model, BUT... reading your orig post, sounds like you are aware of this and saying that you aren't looking to become wealthy doing it.. I can see some merit. (def in the idea!) I do think that to keep prices low enough, (unless you are willing to REALLY invest all your time into it) you'll either have to buy inexpensive parts to assemble, or purchase cnc equip. I mean, yes, things may start slow, but.. say you ARE providing a very good product at a very good price. The demand may overwhelm your ability to produce if you are indeed hand fabbing them.. Also, will be hard to find a niche unless they are really done well at a great price or you have some kind of gimmick. For example, the new slick guitars seem to be good bang for the buck, but Im not into pre aged guits..

good luck and keep us posted if you start up!
 
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Do you have any idea how much up-front equipment & money was needed to produce those guitars? Along with skilled labor.

You guys are right, it will be extremely hard in every way to produce such a company that doesnt have a lot different from other custom-guitar companies. Besides, I'm far from wealthy and about to start college (yay me) :friday:

This idea came to mind when i was planning my custom guitar. I have a friend with a CNC plotter, a 3D printer (for new knobs, for example) and that gave me a lot of liberty to make something different. I was just thinking in how could i make it as cheap for other people. I know now that it would be quite a push, and the company would be bankrupt quite fast. BUT I wont quit on the idea, and i might start in the set-up area, and start to make my own guitars later in life.

Thank you all for the feedback! Even the negativism helped me understand all the perspectives of the problem. The solution.. well we'll see. If I ever make some good guitars, expect me to go to the great Paul Reed Smith for him to try them out! :cool2:
 
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I think you are about 50 years too late. The electric guitar has found its 'standard' format. There is a reason why Strat and LP are the most popular shapes in the world, and why guitar companies in general offer just these 2 shapes while they can actually offer other (more radical) shapes complete with unspeakable wiring and pickup configuration.

I am not even sure if guitar players in general are not happy with what the industry offers and that they lover to tinker with their guitars. If you hang out at this forum often, you'll develop the idea that we all buy guitars to modify.

I personally have no interest in making a custom guitar. I think the super Strat is the right one for me and 3 way switch is more than enough. Maybe your idea will appeal to niche market, but not the general audience. Good luck.
 
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I'm far from wealthy and about to start college... I wont quit on the idea, and i might start in the set-up area, and start to make my own guitars later in life.



You're young, the best thing to do is become an apprentice luthier and learn how to do these things, and talk to players and get to know what they want. Then you're not coming into it cold. You can do it on the side throughout your whole life, or you can make it your main career.

One of the worst things you can do is to only talk to people who tell you everything you come up with is a great idea. Listen to them and you'll be bankrupt in no time. You need to be able to step back and look at all sides, the good and the bad. No matter how much money and time you think it will take to get the business going, it will take much more of both than that. You need to be able to play devil's advocate, that's how you continually improve your ideas.
 
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Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

I'm a big believer in the "5 fingers" of surviving as a musician. That is, you need to have about five revenue flows, because none of them will be big or reliable. So I play, give lessons, do setups & repairs, and have part time contract work teaching.

If this is the spirit in which the proposition lives, then I'm not sure it would be a bad thing to be looking at something that keeps costs low for an accessible product for modest gains.

Brainstorming:

My inclination would be to do something like this: they would be budget-boutique. I'd charge like a mechanic: describe your guitar, I'll source the parts and charge you directly, then I'll bill for my time and that summed up is the cost of your guitar. Could be $300 or $2000. If I bill $15/hour and it takes me x hours to assemble and test, then x*15 is my take. (Of course you'll need to get a tax ID and pay taxes, so you don't keep it all.) This is assuming a one-man enterprise. Anything more and it's much more sophisticated to do right. Also, forming an LLC so a disaster doesn't sink you personally is a good idea.

Also, having capital up front to work with is important. You may need more or better tools. It might be good to have a few common models pre-made for sale. Beyond this, if you can prove any kind of interest (which you'd need for a loan or to convince investors anyways) you might want to get B2B arrangements with suppliers. Passing on retail costs to customers kills the low-cost incentive. And clearly some things like pots you'd want to just buy in bulk. Anything that takes $1 off the guitar but doesn't sacrifice your standards is something you have to do.

Know your competition. It's easy to know Squier and Epiphone. Know HardLuck Kings, Oscar Schmidt, Rogue, etc. etc etc. This way you know what quality level you need to meet. Also, there's a saying that if you want to know what's wrong with a product, ask their competitor. Nobody will tell you what's wrong with IBM faster and in more detail than Microsoft. Do LOTS of industry research.

Finally, know your customers--and find them. I don't know if most people on gear boards I visit would be your customers. Odds are, if we got to the place where we can do it, we want to do it so we can get exactly what we want. On the other hand, there are young players, collectors, recently starting players, who might want something other than the basic 4+ guitars that most people buy.

But here, I think, lies your challenges: First, how to be known. How do people find you? Second, how do you distinguish yourself from all the budget companies with bad reputations. Third, despite how much I loathe bankers, try to put together a business plan and get a loan--even if you don't want one. If a bank won't give you a loan, they will say why. So many people take this to mean they just need to borrow money elsewhere, but consider that they want you to pay back your loan; hence they want businesses that succeed. They see business proposals all day, every day. If they think there's a problem, don't drag your cousin down with you; fix the problem and try again.

It really sounds like a challenging but fun kind of business. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best.
 
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Try and build a guitar.....body first as you need more specialist tools for the neck. Something easy like a Tele for example. You'll need to start small, like using routers and orbital sanders as CNC machines run 5 figures I'm sure.
Also keep a tab on how much raw materials you buy as well as consumables like sandpaper, tools you need to buy to make the body etc etc. Then add in the hours it takes you to get a body to completion x by a hrly rate you'd like to make

Tot that up, then see how much that same body would cost from Warmoth. Even without tools included in the calculation I'd guess your figure will be 3-4 times what Warmoth is charging. I know a Fender body for me can be usually done in 1 full day.......ready for spraying with all routs and holes drilled.
 
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A cool stepping stone into this would be to start as a guitar hot-rodding shop. Offer to take people's beginner guitars & do some serious work on the frets & nuts, along with installing big-name pickups & hardware & custom pickguards & body finishes. Do complete setups & build a name for yourself among guitarists on campus. Charge for parts & labor. That always seemed like a cool idea to me. This is actually how Schecter started back in the '70s.
 
Re: Making a mid-range custom guitar company(?)

A cool stepping stone into this would be to start as a guitar hot-rodding shop. Offer to take people's beginner guitars & do some serious work on the frets & nuts, along with installing big-name pickups & hardware & custom pickguards & body finishes. Do complete setups & build a name for yourself among guitarists on campus. Charge for parts & labor. That always seemed like a cool idea to me. This is actually how Schecter started back in the '70s.


+1. It's infinitely cheaper to start with an existing guitar and modify it. It you try to build your own guitars from scratch, you can't do it anywhere near as efficiently, or inexpensively as the big manufacturers can. They have it down to a science; at this point, you have no idea of what you're doing. You can't compete with them; you don't want to produce mediocre, or expensive guitars. If you want to sell complete guitars, find some that are decent and can be modded by you without a big investment in time or money. Most players are helpless: they can't do any mods, some can't even change their strings. This is your target market.
 
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We've all probably considered it and dreamt about it while tinkering with our own guitars. I've considered going back to (trade) school to learn about CNC manufacturing with the goal being getting a job at a Fender or Carvin, or parts companies like Warmoth would be cool too.
 
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