Marshall JCM900 Problems…

MasterKtulu

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Marshall JCM900 Problems…

Hi to all the tube amp gurus out there! I think I need your help.

I have a Marshall JCM900 MkIII Model 2501 (50W Master Volume 1x12 Combo) that I’ve had for over 16 years. I’m the original owner, it has never been modified, and is completely original (Tubes and all), except that I’ve removed the original still working Celestion G12T-75 Speaker with an Eminence Private Jack Speaker for a more vintage sound. I have taken really good care of the amp over the years and it has only seen a couple of jam sessions and no gigs. It has spent the majority of its life in my home playing at volumes between 3 and 4 (I think I’ve only pushed it to its maximum a handful of times). Currently, I play it with a Zoom G7.1ut effects console plugged into the Effects Return input in the back of the amp.

Problem 1: Now for about a year, every time I plug my guitar in the Preamp input in the front of the amp the volumes starts to cut off for a few seconds then come back again then cuts back down over and over again. After being powered up for a long time (About 20-30 minutes), it stops and I’m good to go. Are my Preamp Tubes done, or is it something else?

Problem 2: Yesterday, I was playing through my Zoom G7 plugged into the Effects Return input and after a half hour of playing my volume suddenly dropped by half. I continued playing for about 10 minutes waiting to see if the volume would go back up, it didn’t. Are my Power Tubes done, or is it something else?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Have you ever changed the tubes in it? If not, get new preamp tubes (I recommend JJ's), new power amp tubes (again JJ's or Svetlana's or Electro Harmonix). It will most likely need to be biased as well - if you're not sure how to do it, take it to a reputable tech to have it done. Have all of the pots cleaned too. After 16 years, if none of this has been done, it is well past time.
 
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99.9% of problems with tube amps are usually in the tubes.
If you find yourself in the dark its better to change the lightglobe before you rewire the house.
Treat yourself to a full new set. Its most likely your power tubes are toast but new preamp tubes will not hurt as well. They run pretty hot in those marshalls. Even if your amp was working fine ill bet you 100bucks that it would sound better with new tubes. They are a consumable item...kinda like car tyres.
FWIW....for a regularly played gigging amp its worth changing your power tubes every year or so. 16 years is a really long time in tube amps!
ps. id like to second Eriks choice of jjs in the power section and eh in the front end.
 
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Volume drops? That can be one or the combination of these:

- bad soldering all over the PC board (some random 900 amps were slapped together pretty poorly in the factory, working as a tube electronic time bomb so you are lucky with yours ;) )

- the biggest blue capacitor inside the amp

- the solidstate rectifier (man those are crap)m just replace with same specs but better quality component

- all the pots (those are REAL crap).

I had the very same problem with the addition that mine stopped working after 40 minutes or so and replacing tubes did not help at all. I am lucky that I have a tech friend. He also replaced some "questionable components" as he said, the whole sum was around $40. The amp has been working fine since that with the same set of tubes (2004 or so?)

I would agree that replacing decade-old tubes in your amp will never hurt, indeed... ;)
 
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Bad tubes will definitely cause some weird issues. I bought my Shiva head last April and it was just two years old and in MINT (like never left the house) condition. When I got it, there was ZERO clean headroom on the clean channel. That amp is known for staying CLEAN on that channel even when pushed hard and LOUD. I swapped-out the two EL34s in it for new ones and it was an instant cure. I also replaced all of the preamp tubes as well... just because I wanted to start with it in basically new condition. But the point is that tubes can make a huge difference in tube amps -- even ones that are not that old. Cannot imagine being able to get 16 years out of a set of power tubes...
 
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An additional possibility:

These kind of symptoms are known to be an issue in some modern Marshalls with factory FX loops. It seems to be related to the switching jacks. People who don't use the loop rarely have these types of problems but people who use the loop reguarly do enccounter such problems more often. Cleaning up the jacks with a bit of contact cleaner and making sure the jack is functional mechanically (ie.. the tang and the ground are making proper contact with the plug and so forth) seems to help.
 
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The symptoms you described sounds just like my Marshall when its tubes went out. Take it to a tech and get new tubes all around and have it re-biased.

It'll be like giving your 16 yo car a tune up!
 
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No doubt at that age it is going to need tubes. Clean the tube sockets with contact cleaner also.

But, those effects loops are gonna also need to be cleaned. It is something that causes the volume drops that you speak of. (Just as LPB said)

At that age you might as well clean the pots too.
 
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Hey MasterK,

I had the exact same problem with my 20 some year old JCM900 (4502). Still has the original pre-amp tubes but i changed the 34's out a couple of times. Anyways, I took the amp apart and gave every jack, pot and moving electronic part a good cleaning with a contact cleaner and problem gone. It will probably correct the FX loop issue to because they tend to become problematic first but usually don't appear when you plug something into them. Had the same problems with my Tech 21 TM30 and TM60 and same solution worked. Dusty here in Alberta! Good Luck! Dan
 
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Wow this is an old thread! I even forgot I had first posted it and clicked on it to see if I could help, as i still own that JCM 900 and have fixed all the problems with it over the years.

For anyone who cares, I ended cleaning everything with contact cleaner then changed all the tubes to Mullard EL34's & Tung-Sol 12AX7's. That fixed all the volume problems and the amp has sounded great ever since. I have since stop using the amp as a platform for digital multi-effects. I Now have an Holy Grail Reverb in the Loop and have a RAT & OCD Clones in the front and that's it. It makes a great 80s Rock platform when I push it!
 
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thats a perfect setup you have now. Kill the zoom with fire.
i really liked the humble boss SD-1 with my MKIII 900 (100w 1x12 combo). It's worth trying one out. The rat was my second fave. .
 
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I'd try replacing the tubes first. I am pretty lucky in the regard that all my amps have never had any prolems. Then again, I only play around the house and kind of seldom at that. I bought my DSL Silver in 06 brand new and I doubt it has 3 total hours on it.
 
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The 900's are hybrid amp. A combination of diodes and tubes in the preamp section. Depending on the age of the amp they are either powered by 5881's or EL 34's. I have a very early 50W 2 12" 900 which is EL34's. At some point and I don't know when they were powered with 5881's. Not that it matters. What you should do judging by your post is take the amp to a qualified amp tech. Have ALL the tubes replaced and have the amp completely gone through. You will thank me & others after ts all done. Now with the volume dropping it could be something as simple as the input jacks in the effects loop are dirty with carbon build up. Either spray them out with Deoxit, or any other type of cleaner(Radio Shack sells it also). Spray some of the contact cleaner in the jacks, insert the Jack and push it in/out several times to help clean out the carbon build up. If that doesn't have any effect its probably a bad tube. If you are not familiar with working on a tube amp take it to a tech.
 
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Hi to all the tube amp gurus out there! I think I need your help.

I have a Marshall JCM900 MkIII Model 2501 (50W Master Volume 1x12 Combo) that I’ve had for over 16 years. I’m the original owner, it has never been modified, and is completely original (Tubes and all), except that I’ve removed the original still working Celestion G12T-75 Speaker with an Eminence Private Jack Speaker for a more vintage sound. I have taken really good care of the amp over the years and it has only seen a couple of jam sessions and no gigs. It has spent the majority of its life in my home playing at volumes between 3 and 4 (I think I’ve only pushed it to its maximum a handful of times). Currently, I play it with a Zoom G7.1ut effects console plugged into the Effects Return input in the back of the amp.

Problem 1: Now for about a year, every time I plug my guitar in the Preamp input in the front of the amp the volumes starts to cut off for a few seconds then come back again then cuts back down over and over again. After being powered up for a long time (About 20-30 minutes), it stops and I’m good to go. Are my Preamp Tubes done, or is it something else?

Problem 2: Yesterday, I was playing through my Zoom G7 plugged into the Effects Return input and after a half hour of playing my volume suddenly dropped by half. I continued playing for about 10 minutes waiting to see if the volume would go back up, it didn’t. Are my Power Tubes done, or is it something else?

Any help would be appreciated.

Check the effects loop. Try using a patch cable there. it should fix it.
 
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