Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

[Diminished Triad]

From a distance it seems one major difference between the standard marshall jvm series and the jvm-satriani amps is that with the Satriani model they removed the reverb knob and in its place put a gate pot.

There are a couple nice write-ups regarding Satriani's work in improving the amp but I wonder if for most guitar players whether trading off reverb for gate is always desired? Does this mean reverb now must come from an effects pedal instead of the amp itself or am i missing something? I play mostly out of a Fender Supersonic at the moment and really enjoy having reverb as one of my knobs available.

Anyone play the Satriani Marshall amp or have an opinion regarding the replacement of reverb with gate?

Thanks....

 

[AudioWonderland]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

Unless I want a specific, classic setup like a fender combo that is known for its reverb sound I would rather have it dry. Particularly for dirty sounds. There are just so many better options to use in the effects loop.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

Its simple really its Satriani's signature amp. Satch uses outboard effects doesnt need built in reverb hence the swap to a gate. Simple as that. It doesnt mean that for you there is any reason that you must do the same its just what he does on his signature. What works for him doesnt have to work for you and thats the cool thing there are many amps with many features available so worry what works for you.

 

[Van Noord]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

Satch uses his sig Vox pedals which includes a delay pedal. Satch uses that instead of reverb.
All the Channels ans modes have been re worked/tweaked by Satch.
OD red and orange on channel 4 are the same tone, so one can be set higher for leads without changing the rhythm tone.
One of the modes is also a close representation to the Marshall 6100, which Satch also uses back in the day.

 

[mantis]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

I have not seen this amp but would love to plug in.
Personally I would rather have the reverb in the amp. I like you are a long time Fender user and love internal reverb. It's just one less thing I gotta put in the chain pedal or effects processor wise.
The Standard JVM is amazing and is one of those amps I would like to own one day. I love just about everything about it. Even the clean channel is very nice , and thats coming from a die hard Fender Twin clean guy.

 

[UberMetalDood]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

I can tell you what I know from playing one. There are significant differences besides the obvious things like a noise gate, mid shift, and no reverb. First of all, while it has the underlying JVM tone, it substantially different. First of all, the clean channel is better than the regular JVM. The cleans are more vibrant and a bit janglier. Then, the crunch channel has an AFD circuit which sounds and feels very different. Also, the mid shift doesn't seem to simply scoop or add mids. It gives the channels a different voicing and I think it's supposed to give it's Satch's signature voicing or something like that. It has quite an effect. The JCM800 channel on the JVM is real bright and gainy, but the 410HJS seems to have improved it a little. That's all I can think of at the moment. There are probably tons of videos on youtube by now so go check them out and see if you can hear the qualities I described.

 

[xxxplorer]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

^ spot on from my observations as well. It's like Joe said 'Whoa... The JVM is scary close, but here's what's missing!'. I loved the one I tried over the weekend.

 

[B2D]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

From a distance it seems one major difference between the standard marshall jvm series and the jvm-satriani amps is that with the Satriani model they removed the reverb knob and in its place put a gate pot.

There are a couple nice write-ups regarding Satriani's work in improving the amp but I wonder if for most guitar players whether trading off reverb for gate is always desired? Does this mean reverb now must come from an effects pedal instead of the amp itself or am i missing something? I play mostly out of a Fender Supersonic at the moment and really enjoy having reverb as one of my knobs available.

Anyone play the Satriani Marshall amp or have an opinion regarding the replacement of reverb with gate?

Thanks....

Lots of high-quality tube heads don't have reverb on them. 9 times out of 10 outboard units are gonna give you better sound anyways, and unless you're playing surf music or something similarly styled, you can get away with much less reverb live than in the studio.

 

[Van Noord]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

The 410JS really interested me when it was announced. I always wanted a JVM and the noise gates were a big plus for me.

But, I still wanted the original, specifically the 210H.
I'm glad I got one because I really like the reverb (only amp I own that has it) and I don't need the options of the 410H. Plus, I like the compressed nature of OD orange and red that the original has over the JS version.

 

[mantis]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

I can tell you what I know from playing one. There are significant differences besides the obvious things like a noise gate, mid shift, and no reverb. First of all, while it has the underlying JVM tone, it substantially different. First of all, the clean channel is better than the regular JVM. The cleans are more vibrant and a bit janglier. Then, the crunch channel has an AFD circuit which sounds and feels very different. Also, the mid shift doesn't seem to simply scoop or add mids. It gives the channels a different voicing and I think it's supposed to give it's Satch's signature voicing or something like that. It has quite an effect. The JCM800 channel on the JVM is real bright and gainy, but the 410HJS seems to have improved it a little. That's all I can think of at the moment. There are probably tons of videos on youtube by now so go check them out and see if you can hear the qualities I described.

I don't like you at all!!! Now I gotta go find one to play ;-) I loved my JSX and it's clean channel was very good , much better then the 5150 and 6505 that I really liked except the damn clean channel. If this amp is as good as you say it is , I'm gonna have to make some room for it.

 

[UberMetalDood]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

I don't like you at all!!! Now I gotta go find one to play ;-) I loved my JSX and it's clean channel was very good , much better then the 5150 and 6505 that I really liked except the damn clean channel. If this amp is as good as you say it is , I'm gonna have to make some room for it.

Sorry man but it really is pretty good. I'm not just saying that. I REALLY wished Marshall would have done something more affordable, but made in UK with the AFD concept. The Satch model has that, but it's more like the JCM800 Slash thing. The AFD100 used 6550's and sounded freaking incredible even at low volumes. It really had one of the best power reduction mechanisms I have experienced on an amp. I'm thinking the Satch JVM would be even better with 6550's. In any case, I am fond of the JSX as well, and had one for some time, but it just doesn't stack up to the Satch JVM. It was also heavy as a tank. I remember taking the chrome faceplate off of it and throwing it aside because it added like 5 lbs. to the amp. The external bias is a great feature on the JSX, plus the ability to use 6L6's (if I can remember correctly) is another great feature. I wish they would have included a power reduction feature and an auto bias (like the AFD100) to the Satch JVM. It's a whopping $2,500.

 

[mantis]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

Sorry man but it really is pretty good. I'm not just saying that. I REALLY wished Marshall would have done something more affordable, but made in UK with the AFD concept. The Satch model has that, but it's more like the JCM800 Slash thing. The AFD100 used 6550's and sounded freaking incredible even at low volumes. It really had one of the best power reduction mechanisms I have experienced on an amp. I'm thinking the Satch JVM would be even better with 6550's. In any case, I am fond of the JSX as well, and had one for some time, but it just doesn't stack up to the Satch JVM. It was also heavy as a tank. I remember taking the chrome faceplate off of it and throwing it aside because it added like 5 lbs. to the amp. The external bias is a great feature on the JSX, plus the ability to use 6L6's (if I can remember correctly) is another great feature. I wish they would have included a power reduction feature and an auto bias (like the AFD100) to the Satch JVM. It's a whopping $2,500.

Actually this is very good new my man. I didn't even know this amp existed until I read about it in here. The way this amp is configured , it sounds perfect for me. I really got to see who is carrying it around here and go play it.
Thanks for the info.

 

[marshallampsuk]

Re: Marshall JVM/Satriani model differences?

Hi there, we've just released a fantastic new demo video of the JVM410HJS featuring the awesome Danny Gill - you can check it out on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ9nL70g6fY

Hopefully this will help!

Marshall Amplification