Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
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FuseG4
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Not as it comes stock, no.
It has a DI output jack, and speaker outputs, and an FX loop.
You could use a Microphone Preamp to boost the DI signal to line level and power a dedicated headphone amp, or there's other DI boxes that have headphone outputs of some kind, I think.
but even if you went through that trouble, unless you stick a cabinet emulation somewhere in it, it will most likely sound like buzzy, bright, fizzy garbage.
Amps really really need guitar speakers and cabinets, they roll off treble in a natural sounding way and the raw sound straight from the power section is usually not what we all like to hear.
My attenuator has a headphone out, I thought it was gonna be rad when I learned they could install one on mine when they built it.
The only way I've been able to use it was take the headphone output and run it into my laptop line in, and run recording software that has guitar cab emulations. At that point it starts to sound pretty decent but not prefect.
Also my amp is 22W and my attenuator is rated for about 30ish, so when my amp is loud even with the attenuator cranked down some sound comes through the speaker.
So... unless your amp was designed for it, headphone practice with tube amps is difficult, but not impossible
Not as it comes stock, no.
It has a DI output jack, and speaker outputs, and an FX loop.
You could use a Microphone Preamp to boost the DI signal to line level and power a dedicated headphone amp, or there's other DI boxes that have headphone outputs of some kind, I think.
but even if you went through that trouble, unless you stick a cabinet emulation somewhere in it, it will most likely sound like buzzy, bright, fizzy garbage.
Amps really really need guitar speakers and cabinets, they roll off treble in a natural sounding way and the raw sound straight from the power section is usually not what we all like to hear.
My attenuator has a headphone out, I thought it was gonna be rad when I learned they could install one on mine when they built it.
The only way I've been able to use it was take the headphone output and run it into my laptop line in, and run recording software that has guitar cab emulations. At that point it starts to sound pretty decent but not prefect.
Also my amp is 22W and my attenuator is rated for about 30ish, so when my amp is loud even with the attenuator cranked down some sound comes through the speaker.
So... unless your amp was designed for it, headphone practice with tube amps is difficult, but not impossible
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Maybe, but probably not able to drive head phones. I agree with Fuse
I Looked up the owner's manual PDF, and there is no head phones out. Nevertheless, it says that the DI can be used to drive recording devices or go direct to the board, so it could probably be used to drive heads phones either directly or indirectly. However, the thing about DIs are that the amp must still be driving a speaker load, so silent practice is not possible. DIs on most amps don't usually sound good either.
If you need a good amp with a decent sounding head phones out and other emulated outs, there's the Marshall JMD. The JMD has been discontinued a few years ago but they are on the used market. The JMD is a hybrid modeling/tube amp. It has a digital preamp and either a 50 watt or 100 watt EL34 tube power amp. It has all those things like emulated line outs, emulated headphones out for silent practice and so forth. One of the nice things about modelling amps are that they don't need to be loud to sound good. You can have it at whisper volume through speakers if need be, or just through head phones with the tube power amp on standby.
Maybe, but probably not able to drive head phones. I agree with Fuse
I Looked up the owner's manual PDF, and there is no head phones out. Nevertheless, it says that the DI can be used to drive recording devices or go direct to the board, so it could probably be used to drive heads phones either directly or indirectly. However, the thing about DIs are that the amp must still be driving a speaker load, so silent practice is not possible. DIs on most amps don't usually sound good either.
If you need a good amp with a decent sounding head phones out and other emulated outs, there's the Marshall JMD. The JMD has been discontinued a few years ago but they are on the used market. The JMD is a hybrid modeling/tube amp. It has a digital preamp and either a 50 watt or 100 watt EL34 tube power amp. It has all those things like emulated line outs, emulated headphones out for silent practice and so forth. One of the nice things about modelling amps are that they don't need to be loud to sound good. You can have it at whisper volume through speakers if need be, or just through head phones with the tube power amp on standby.
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Dang I rarely get to let it loose in the house cause of the wife and kids. I love my Vox 100W Valvetronix and it does sound good with headphones. I was wanting a tube amp but might wait for another time.
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Dang I rarely get to let it loose in the house cause of the wife and kids. I love my Vox 100W Valvetronix and it does sound good with headphones. I was wanting a tube amp but might wait for another time.
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
You can have both. If you already have an amp that does good with head phones, keep it and add a tube amp to your stable.
You can have both. If you already have an amp that does good with head phones, keep it and add a tube amp to your stable.
Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
That is the goal.
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devastone
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Honestly, for headphone practice, modeling is the way to go. Does the Valvetronix have an aux in that you can run mp3s/drum machine/metronome/etc... into?
I see the question asked about headphone outs on amps a lot, and some amps have them, but I can't understand how one would "practice" without being able to use "practice tools". Something like a Zoom G3 or Digitech RP360 seems like it would be a much better practice too (not to mention probably sound better in phones) with an aux in and built in metronome/drum machine.
Honestly, for headphone practice, modeling is the way to go. Does the Valvetronix have an aux in that you can run mp3s/drum machine/metronome/etc... into?
I see the question asked about headphone outs on amps a lot, and some amps have them, but I can't understand how one would "practice" without being able to use "practice tools". Something like a Zoom G3 or Digitech RP360 seems like it would be a much better practice too (not to mention probably sound better in phones) with an aux in and built in metronome/drum machine.
Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Yes the Valvetronix has an aux in as well. I plug up my iTunes and jam along with headphones all the time.
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Yes the Valvetronix has an aux in as well. I plug up my iTunes and jam along with headphones all the time.
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FuseG4
Our Neighbor Totoro
Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Just in case you really really want to get the Origin to work with headphones, I was looking at the attenuator I have and you can indeed silent practice/silent record a loud tube amp!
The rheostat presents enough of a load when turned down to the maximum attenuation that you can safely disconnect the amp speaker and run the headphone out. Like I said earlier, it's harsh without a cab sim.
But seeing as how it worked I figured I'd let you know that you actually can do what you want with a cheap attenuator and your computer or phone or ipad.
Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus top PRO (Stock bridge pickup), Marshall Haze 40c (modded),
Overdrive channel, Bright switch on, gain 10, volume 4.5 Treble 4.5, mids 8, bass 3.5, presence 7, all fx off.
Weber Low Power Load dump, treble compensation off, headphone output to late 2010 Macbook Pro line in.
First is the absolutely the dry sound, I only made sure the input volume wasn't clipping my audio input, and this is what you would hear through headphones hooked straight into the attenuator.
The second sound the only difference is with only a "vintage 4x12" cabinet sim provided by Garageband and there's an overdub of the neck pickup at the end, same settings.
I did this real quick so don't judge my sloppy playing for now ha ha ^_^
And the DI out on Origin Series IS "cabinet modeled" so, you can get either buy a dedicated "headphone amp" to take the DI signal up enough to power headphones or run into your phone or ipad.
or grab a Weber Load Dump and have them stick the headphone tap on there.
But yeah the attenuator's the best way to silent practice headphone practice an Origin, you just gotta buy add'l equipment. Cuz with DI it won't/can't disable the internal speaker.
My Load Dump was $75 I think.
Just in case you really really want to get the Origin to work with headphones, I was looking at the attenuator I have and you can indeed silent practice/silent record a loud tube amp!
The rheostat presents enough of a load when turned down to the maximum attenuation that you can safely disconnect the amp speaker and run the headphone out. Like I said earlier, it's harsh without a cab sim.
But seeing as how it worked I figured I'd let you know that you actually can do what you want with a cheap attenuator and your computer or phone or ipad.
Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus top PRO (Stock bridge pickup), Marshall Haze 40c (modded),
Overdrive channel, Bright switch on, gain 10, volume 4.5 Treble 4.5, mids 8, bass 3.5, presence 7, all fx off.
Weber Low Power Load dump, treble compensation off, headphone output to late 2010 Macbook Pro line in.
First is the absolutely the dry sound, I only made sure the input volume wasn't clipping my audio input, and this is what you would hear through headphones hooked straight into the attenuator.
The second sound the only difference is with only a "vintage 4x12" cabinet sim provided by Garageband and there's an overdub of the neck pickup at the end, same settings.
I did this real quick so don't judge my sloppy playing for now ha ha ^_^
And the DI out on Origin Series IS "cabinet modeled" so, you can get either buy a dedicated "headphone amp" to take the DI signal up enough to power headphones or run into your phone or ipad.
or grab a Weber Load Dump and have them stick the headphone tap on there.
But yeah the attenuator's the best way to silent practice headphone practice an Origin, you just gotta buy add'l equipment. Cuz with DI it won't/can't disable the internal speaker.
My Load Dump was $75 I think.
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Nostalgic Distortion
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Headphones through a non-hybrid valve amp isn't something you see very often but when you need that it can be had relatively inexpensively....
The Classic 20mh & 6505mh both have the headphone option, which is a lot of the reason for me owning both...
Headphones through a non-hybrid valve amp isn't something you see very often but when you need that it can be had relatively inexpensively....
The Classic 20mh & 6505mh both have the headphone option, which is a lot of the reason for me owning both...
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
Running my signal into a computer just to pick up cabinet emulation seemed like a drag to me, so I picked up a $100 hardware cabinet emulator (Hughes & Kettner Red Box 5). XLR output goes to a tiny Mackie mixer to drive headphones, and it runs off of phantom power.
Running my signal into a computer just to pick up cabinet emulation seemed like a drag to me, so I picked up a $100 hardware cabinet emulator (Hughes & Kettner Red Box 5). XLR output goes to a tiny Mackie mixer to drive headphones, and it runs off of phantom power.
Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
I wouldn't even worry about if the tube amp you get is good for head phones. This is especially the case if you get the Origin. Both the 50 and the 20 can be clicked down to 1/2 a watt. If you need to go to head phones, then you already have the Vox.
I wouldn't even worry about if the tube amp you get is good for head phones. This is especially the case if you get the Origin. Both the 50 and the 20 can be clicked down to 1/2 a watt. If you need to go to head phones, then you already have the Vox.
Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
I wish the 20W Origin had a 12” speaker instead of the 10”.
The new 20W DSL has a 12” speaker.
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I wish the 20W Origin had a 12” speaker instead of the 10”.
The new 20W DSL has a 12” speaker.
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Marshall Origin Series and Head Phones
The 50w Origin has a 12" and it goes down to the same 1/2 watt in the low power mode.
If it's me, I always buy a head and avoid buying combos. I know that if you don't already own a speaker cab then you need to buy a cab for the head and that's an additional cost, though. But I prefer heads and cabs for both sound and for hauling them around.
The 50w Origin has a 12" and it goes down to the same 1/2 watt in the low power mode.
If it's me, I always buy a head and avoid buying combos. I know that if you don't already own a speaker cab then you need to buy a cab for the head and that's an additional cost, though. But I prefer heads and cabs for both sound and for hauling them around.
