marshall petition 2

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ok, so apparently there are a lot of reasons to petition marshall, but here's mine, decided it needed its own thread

STOP PUTTING CAR AUDIO PARTS IN YOUR AMPS

quit charging PTP amp prices for PCB amps, make it worth it

go back to what you're good at - RIPPING OFF FENDER! I wanna see an el34 hot rod deville where the "more gain" channel brings a 4th 12ax7 into the mix, loaded with celestions

i wanna see marshallized vibroverb head

so, get on it
 
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You guys in the US have Marshall more expensive. In the UK they're DIRT cheap compared to other brands. We pay 4,000 bucks for a Dual Rectifier at a decent street price.
 
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what the hell? That's ridiculous

people pay 4 grand for that crap?

Brits get absolutely whacked for Mesa. And most other high end production line/boutique stuff out of the states.

Down here in New Zealand we get quite decent prices on Marshall, to the point where the handwired stuff is often a cheaper option than a similar boutique clone.
 
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You guys in the US have Marshall more expensive. In the UK they're DIRT cheap compared to other brands. We pay 4,000 bucks for a Dual Rectifier at a decent street price.

Exactly. Marshalls are pretty competitive over here, I would say the same things about Mesa.
 
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ok, so apparently there are a lot of reasons to petition marshall, but here's mine, decided it needed its own thread


go back to what you're good at - RIPPING OFF FENDER!

Well they tried that...farty low end...fizzy high end, but as we all know, the DSL/TSLs tanked so they have decided to give up on ripping fender off :)
 
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No way I'd pay that for a Mesa Recto, well, any Mesa for that matter. But, you guys can get Cornford for decent prices and they are over $3K here.
 
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No way I'd pay that for a Mesa Recto, well, any Mesa for that matter. But, you guys can get Cornford for decent prices and they are over $3K here.

Cornfords are still pricey over here, an Mk50 mk1 about £1300 ($2600) and a Hellcat £1600 ($3200) and an MK50 mk2 is about £2000 ($4000). Worth it though in my book as long as you really like the sound 'coz the build quality is second to none.

Edit... ref Marshall. I was always a fan... the image of a full stack... British... Hendrix etc etc. So,my mates mate goes for a tour of the M factory as he's wanting one of the Handwired series and what does he see? Young kids doing the soldering in a shed (well, that's how he explained it!) and the quality of the work was shoddy. Needless to say, he didn't and won't be getting a Marshall!... it's put him off all together.
 
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Why don't you just look at the 8 ba-jillion marshall and fender clones out there for what you want? If marshall made what you are probably looking for, theyd charge you a 5 grand price for a head, make 300 of em and call them special limited edition vintage. Plus with the clones, you can talk to the personable owner (an oxymoron in the big corporation amp business like marshall and fender and what not) and talk specs and suggestions for what you want exactly/help on any other subjects. Clones are your FRIENDS! Who care what it says on the label?
 
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Jim is actually very much involved with things at Marshall still, although his daughter has been doing more and more these days. He's no spring chicken ya know. ;) He does still go to the amps shows and such and is quite approachable.

The cost of Marshalls here versus England is quite understandable. The freight charges to get them from there to here is not cheap. Then once they get here, they have to go through the U.S. distributor and then (you guessed it) get shipped out to the stores via GROUND transportation. They have to recoup the costs somehow, and those costs don't just go to Marshall, but the distributor that sent them to the store. Oh yeah, can't forget wages too. ;)

I have faith that they got their act together with the Vintage Modern and JVM. The VM is a great sounding amp, IMO. Haven't tried the JVM yet. Their target market is different nowadays versus 15-20 years ago.

There's nothing wrong with PCB amps as long as the PCB is of high enough quality (e.g. Mesa Boogie). There is absolutely no difference between a circuit that is PCB and the same circuit done PTP other than the tolerances between of the parts. There's still signal flowing from point A to point B.

Sure, there are PTP amps (clones and whatnot) out there that cost less, but they are mostly 1 or 2 person operations who don't have a huge overhead nor ship overseas. They just have to worry about recouping the cost of the parts and charge for their time. Then there are kits, which don't include the labor involved with putting it all together.

I'm not trying to be a smartass here, just pointing out the simple things that get missed in these discussions. Basic economics. ;)
 
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Well they tried that...farty low end...fizzy high end, but as we all know, the DSL/TSLs tanked so they have decided to give up on ripping fender off :)

ok, so a plexi has a farty low end and a fizzy high end?

are you serious?
 
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ok, so a plexi has a farty low end and a fizzy high end?

are you serious?

*SIGH*

No..but alot of Fenders do..in particular a cranked bassman , which I'm sure is the model you are referring to when it comes to "marshall ripping off fender"

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE a Bassman (fave Fender amp) but a Bassman and plexi dont sound anything alike.

And to set the record straight for the uninitiated: the JTM45 is the design that is closest to a bassman, not a Plexi. And the JTM still doesnt sound a whole lot like a bassman either.

my point? In the early/mid 60s the circuit design may have been similar or the same,.so in theory they are "ripoffs", but in practice, they are extremely different.

FWIW, I've spent some quality time with a real deal 58 bassman and a reissue, as well as a JTM, Plexis (Both original, modded and reissue), Metalfaces (again original, modded, reissues), Majors, etc, etc. ad nauseum.
 
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jtm & plexi are pretty much the same thing, man

yes the little differences change the sound quite a bit but there's still not that much difference between a plexi and a bassman
 
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JTM and what is referred to as Plexi are totally different.

If we're comparing a 1959 and 1987 Plexi with a Bassman, they're night and day from one another.

If we're comparing a JTM45 with a Bassman, than they would be similar, but not the same. Marshall made enough changes to make it pretty different.

The term "Plexi" refers to the panels used on the amps. Plexi never appeared on any Marshall amp so calling an amp a "Plexi" can be confusing. Most of the time however, it means the 1959 and 1987 amps. And those are totally different animals from a Bassman and even a JTM45.
 
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