Marshall Petition

[barbarianbrute]

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i take it that you've either owned both or compared them directly? how would you describe the differences between the two in comparison?

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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His main amps are: '68 PTP Plexi, Vox AC30 Top boost, metalface Marshall, and a Boogie, I mean an OLD one.

And that Randall MTS Lynch Box has EL34 power and models of those forementioned amps.

(At least if you believe a finnish music magazine *Riffi* (have any idea what that's in english )7/2006)

Well not exactly, His Mesa is one of the original prototypes of a duo rectumfrier, from what I understan a different animal from what we get in GC today. Wicked Sensation was recorded and toured with SLO100 and some Engls. Randall has his sig amp but its more of a modeling thing, but I dont think he actually uses, but its more than fair to say that GL is an vintage plexi dude not a JCM800/900 or DSL/TSL guy ... something tells me we are not gonna see him infront of JVMs either.

 

[Ayrton]

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Don't forget the famous purple plexi...

http://www.georgelynch.com/rigs/studiorigs/wickedstudio.html

 

[sosomething]

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i take it that you've either owned both or compared them directly? how would you describe the differences between the two in comparison?

I have owned both a Mesa Road King head and an F30, as well as a Marshall TSL60 and there is a Marshall JCM 900 at my practice space.

I now own a Splawn Pro Mod and a Bogner Uberschall, so I think I'm qualified to have a valid opinion on the quality of tone between those amps.

In my opinion, while the Mesas at least were fine pieces of equipment, my hands and ears unequivocally prefer the tone of the Splawn and Bogner over any of the other amps mentioned.

I have to admit I've never played a Soldano, so I'll have to defer to others here who have...

 

[Ayrton]

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I am a Marshall man myself, but I have played through both the SLO and the Mesa, and if I could justify having a SLO 100, I would.

Of course, I would love to have a Bogner, a Jubilee, and a SLO 100, but I don't think I am on Santa's good list this year.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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I have owned both a Mesa Road King head and an F30, as well as a Marshall TSL60 and there is a Marshall JCM 900 at my practice space.

I now own a Splawn Pro Mod and a Bogner Uberschall, so I think I'm qualified to have a valid opinion on the quality of tone between those amps.

In my opinion, while the Mesas at least were fine pieces of equipment, my hands and ears unequivocally prefer the tone of the Splawn and Bogner over any of the other amps mentioned.

I have to admit I've never played a Soldano, so I'll have to defer to others here who have...

well i was specifically asking about the mesa triple rect and the high gain soldano the guy mentioned previously. you said that you had a road kind and an f30, but to my knowledge those are quite different from the triple rect. am i not correct, or are you comparing apples to oranges?

 

[Hot _Grits]

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The Reinhardt Ampzilla is a pretty fantastic-sounding boutique Marshall-style amp for a reasonable price. I'd consider rocking one of those if I didn't already own a Splawn.

Is that the marshall 50/trainwreck hybrid model? -if so, my friend has one and it's pretty much dead-on 'appetite for destruction' tone. Which isn't my thing personally, but I know a lot of people who dig that sound...

 

[Hot _Grits]

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well i was specifically asking about the mesa triple rect and the high gain soldano the guy mentioned previously. you said that you had a road kind and an f30, but to my knowledge those are quite different from the triple rect. am i not correct, or are you comparing apples to oranges?

Yes and no. The road king can get pretty close to a dual rec. The F30, less so.

Thing is, dual rec aren't cheap amps. When you're in that price range a lot of the smaller boutique makers come into play, especially if you're after a marshall tone. And bring secondhand into play and you can get some serious amp for your money.

In the end, if you're serious about your sound, there's a whole world of great amps out there, many of which can be had for entirely reasonable prices and all of which are better built (and arguably better sounding) than current production line Marshalls. I'm sure the folks on this forum could point you to a dealer that stocks close to your location.

Another great option is to take a secondhand 800 or plexi reissue and drop in a replacement PTP board and a new output transformer from someone like metropulous, mercury or heyboer. Even a daggy old DSL can be significantly improved by a new OT. And you can keep the old OT/circuitry and get it reinstalled if you want to move the amp as stock later.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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so which of these botique amps give you that marshall tone?

 

[PFDarkside]

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I post it all the time (I hope it's not getting old) and I'm pretty sure it's not still a honeymoon phase, but the Splawn is a killer Marshall style amp. It really gets all the tones you associate with a Marshall without all the pain involved (cranking it full blast, using a an OD in front, modding for more gain, better EQ, etc.)

Remember though, the most important thing is what you think. If you like the tone coming from your amp, then nothing else is important. I happen to love the Mesa sound too, I could care less how many people dog it online. (I just think to myself, maybe they didn't get it dialed in) So if your Marshall is sounding good, stay with it, it's a slippery slope when you start buying and selling small production amps because you can't find them to try out.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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you have any splawn soundclips?

 

[Ayrton]

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so which of these botique amps give you that marshall tone?

If you want classic Marshall plexi, then grab one of these.

http://www.metroamp.com/amps_68_100_watt.php

For the same price as a new reissue, you get all the best parts.

 

[Hot _Grits]

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Lots of choices for classic marshall:

Top Hat Emplexador will give you classic plexi through to higher gain metal panel tones. Germino specialise in amazing reissues of very specific classic marshalls.
Roccaforte do very nice plexi-type amps.
Splawn do the modded plexi/modded 800 thing very well. Good for high gain and the mid-period Roth era Van Halen plexi tone.
Reinhardt do nice metal panel-influenced amps. Start here if Appetite for destruction is your idea of a Marshall tone.
And Metropulous do superb kits, upgrades and amps.

And that's just off the top of my head.I'm sure there's loads more.

 

[sosomething]

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well i was specifically asking about the mesa triple rect and the high gain soldano the guy mentioned previously. you said that you had a road kind and an f30, but to my knowledge those are quite different from the triple rect. am i not correct, or are you comparing apples to oranges?

What the hell are you talking about? Have you got things twisted?

I never mentioned Soldano, or compared it in any way to a Triple Recto or anything else, for that matter.

Apples and oranges is one thing, passing judgment on an entire industry of high-gain boutique amplifiers without ever even seeing one in person (what you are doing) is another.

And for the record, there isn't a single tone the Triple Recto makes that can't be gotten out of a Road King.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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Purely my own opinion, but:

You are definitely wrong.

dude, you quoted me and posted the above statement. what the hell did you think we were talking about? get a grip man! you don't have to get so defensive. this thread is about gear and not what you think i thought you said or anything of the sort. settle down and either offer some helpful advice or go hijack another thread.

 

[sosomething]

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dude, you quoted me and posted the above statement. what the hell did you think we were talking about? get a grip man! you don't have to get so defensive. this thread is about gear and not what you think i thought you said or anything of the sort. settle down and either offer some helpful advice or go hijack another thread.

OK, I get you now.

Looks like I lost track of where the conversation had gone before I chimed in.

I don't know by personal experience if Soldanos sound better than Mesas for high gain - like I said, I've never played a Soldano.

That said, I do know of a number of amps that I prefer over Mesas when it comes to high gain - Splawn, Bogner, VHT, and Orange come to mind, out of the amps I have played or owned.

The thing is, for the price of a new Mesa, there are a number of very good less-known options that you, or anyone else, might like more if given the chance. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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OK, I get you now.

Looks like I lost track of where the conversation had gone before I chimed in.

I don't know by personal experience if Soldanos sound better than Mesas for high gain - like I said, I've never played a Soldano.

That said, I do know of a number of amps that I prefer over Mesas when it comes to high gain - Splawn, Bogner, VHT, and Orange come to mind, out of the amps I have played or owned.

The thing is, for the price of a new Mesa, there are a number of very good less-known options that you, or anyone else, might like more if given the chance. That's all I'm trying to say.

thanks, i appreciate the response. i'm looking into the splawn and orange amps right now. i can't say that i'm a great fan of the orange amp ,but the splawn is starting to sound good. maybe it's because the orange stack i tried didn't have much gain. i'd like an amp that had enough gain in case i want it so i don't have to rely on a pedal. sounds like the splawn is up that alley. what's your assessment of the splawn amps?

 

[sosomething]

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thanks, i appreciate the response. i'm looking into the splawn and orange amps right now. i can't say that i'm a great fan of the orange amp ,but the splawn is starting to sound good. maybe it's because the orange stack i tried didn't have much gain. i'd like an amp that had enough gain in case i want it so i don't have to rely on a pedal. sounds like the splawn is up that alley. what's your assessment of the splawn amps?

I love my Splawn.

It's like the thickest, tightest Marshall JMP you've ever heard with 5x the available gain and a master volume. It laughs at distortion pedals.

You can turn the gain knob to 10 and play death metal with it and still hear every individual note of every chord.

The only issue is that, for players with a real light touch or weak technique it will expose your mistakes like few other amps (similar to VHT). You have to play with some authority to your picking and bends/vibrato if you want to sound good through a Splawn because there is no mush to hide behind.