Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

[Jeff_H]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

I guess we do need to know a budget. A Marshall head of any kind and a matching 4x12 is going to run you AT LEAST $1200....if you shop hard. The condition will be average. Very clean and better Marshall heads (JCM 800's, 70's MV heads) are going at $1000 or better, unfortunately. I would not pay that for a used Marshall head, when so many boutique makers build a better copy for the same price.

That's why I suggested Celtic amps. JTM or Plexi head for around a grand, superior tone and craftsmanship, and you know Scott will treat you right and build it to your specs.

 

[tone?]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

yeah, no one here really said how much you are willing to spend on this.

plus what do you want it for?? to play at home? cause if you ask me it is gonna be heck loud if you are playing a tube marshall at home. there are newer tube amps that play well at home levels more than Marshalls.

that is just my 2 cents. i recently went to england to buy an old used Marshall and i found one too! an old great shape JMP100 watt head. but it was waaaaay too loud for what i wanted it for.

i sounded pretty darn good, needed a pedal though to get a fatter sound at lower levels, but still it was way too loud.
at low levels it actually sounded kinda SS. it was buzzy and to fizzy. i know that certain people might not like me saying that but to my ears it was.

i tried out a VHT Deliverance and it sounded way warmer at low volumes as well as better over all to me.

anyway for home use a also tried a Crate GTX212 and it sounded great at low levels. cheap too.
so i agree with the hype on the Valvatronix, i heard it too and it sounds pretty darn good. not as good as the Crate but good none the less.

also you could try to find an old SS marshall. The kind that came out when the 800 series was out. Gearjoneser had one a while ago and can testify to its sound. a friend of mine here had one that we played through for years and it sounded awesome.

so what do you want it for? cause i think Marshalls sound good but really need to be cranked.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

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[stevie_bees]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

Ah yeah the YVC 50...that is a major scoop these days, dark plexi tones...very cool amp!
Sounds even more fab through a 4x12

I want to give one of those beauties a try!

 

[Kac]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

You guys are all super help-full just keep 'em comin! ha ha

Yeah I should have said a budget I'm shopping in... basicly the longer I wait the more money I should have... But as of right now when I get my pay check tuesday and the money order for the guitar I just sold I will have $300, I'm hoping to get around $300 for the amp I have now, so we're look at about $600 for a good used head or combo, so I'm definetly looking in a lot of places and hoping to find a good one in hopefully under a month

~ Where will I be using it, mostly shows, but I will be using it to practice when the drummer and bass player come over cuz then it does get damn loud, otherwise I'll use my practice amp at home mostly...

Rock ON ~ kac

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

I guess besides the amp itself, the speakers also play an important part in the MArshall sound too =)

Very much was the case with my own Valvetronix amp! The V30 brings both the mids and the lower mid eq right where I feel it needs to be.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

You guys are all super help-full just keep 'em comin! ha ha

Yeah I should have said a budget I'm shopping in... basicly the longer I wait the more money I should have... But as of right now when I get my pay check tuesday and the money order for the guitar I just sold I will have $300, I'm hoping to get around $300 for the amp I have now, so we're look at about $600 for a good used head or combo, so I'm definetly looking in a lot of places and hoping to find a good one in hopefully under a month

~ Where will I be using it, mostly shows, but I will be using it to practice when the drummer and bass player come over cuz then it does get damn loud, otherwise I'll use my practice amp at home mostly...

Rock ON ~ kac

With your budget Kac, I'd go with:

JCM 900 MKIII

Traynor Blue

old Laney


this MAY be a dual reverb...I'd email him and ask...hard to tell cos the pics are blurry and its been awhile since I've messed with a 900..can't remember how many friggin knobs...perhpas someone else can chime in
linky

edit..yeah dual reverb..bidder asked him..it DOES have EL34s though....so its one of the better DRs

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

If I want high volume killer Marshall tones, I've got it covered with my Jubilee stack, Bogner, or Chieftain EL-34 combo. All of them are EL-34 and sound great. However, it's a luxury to have aquired those over the years, not to mention that they really need to be quite loud to rattle the nuts properly. hahaha

I know for a fact that half the Marshall sound is Marshall cabs with Celestions, so that component MUST be there to have that great Marshall crunch and growl. If you're in a situation where you need great tones at bedroom practice levels, put a Vox Valvetronix or L6 head on a Marshall cab. The Marshall models only start to sound perfect when they've got the right cab.....that's where a Marshall 4-12 really brings those amps to life.

 

[That90'sGuy]

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I've played a few JCM 900s that I thought kicked major ass (great higher gain rock tones without any pedals needed)! I've never cared for the Distortion + pedals and the only pedals I use are lighter overdrive/boost type pedals to lightly push the frontend of my amps.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

\I know for a fact that half the Marshall sound is Marshall cabs with Celestions, so that component MUST be there to have that great Marshall crunch and growl.

absolutely! The speakers make a HUGE diff...and think most people would be surprised if for example, they ran a 800 through GB 25s..it doesn't sound so 80s metal like that.

My buddy who bought the major had an old late 60s cab with original GBs in it (I think they were 20s..cant remember)...one day he ran his 2205 through it instead of the new cab he bought for it that had either 75s or CL 80s and that Channel Switcher got REALLY Plexi-ish on the clean channel dimed,and the gain channel was much smoother and more 70s JMP than the sound one usually associates with an 800 channel switcher... That little test really opened my eyes (or ears). I played a DSL this spring through a current marshall cab that had v30s and hated it, then the store guy plugged it into a reissue cab which had GB reissues and all of a sudden that DSL sounded MUCH better.

Listen to VHolics 5150 clips through an old marshall cab...HUGE difference..you'd never think it was a 5150.

 

[Animal]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

Hey Kac, keep an eye on these auctions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Laney-AOR-100-W...ryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Laney-AOR-pro-l...ryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[ScottPearson88]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

r there ne good cheap cabs that would go well with the Laney AOR if that route was chosen?

 

[ErikH]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

absolutely! The speakers make a HUGE diff...and think most people would be surprised if for example, they ran a 800 through GB 25s..it doesn't sound so 80s metal like that.

My buddy who bought the major had an old late 60s cab with original GBs in it (I think they were 20s..cant remember)...one day he ran his 2205 through it instead of the new cab he bought for it that had either 75s or CL 80s and that Channel Switcher got REALLY Plexi-ish on the clean channel dimed,and the gain channel was much smoother and more 70s JMP than the sound one usually associates with an 800 channel switcher... That little test really opened my eyes (or ears). I played a DSL this spring through a current marshall cab that had v30s and hated it, then the store guy plugged it into a reissue cab which had GB reissues and all of a sudden that DSL sounded MUCH better.

Listen to VHolics 5150 clips through an old marshall cab...HUGE difference..you'd never think it was a 5150.

Funny that you and GJ mention the cab and speakers. You've said you love the sound of my MkIII but my cab isn't loaded with Celestions. It's still got the original stock Alnico speakers in it. I'd love some GB 25's though.

 

[greendy123]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

r there ne good cheap cabs that would go well with the Laney AOR if that route was chosen?

Avatar cabs are nice and cheap, you can even choose the speakers you get in them.

 

[JeffB]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

Funny that you and GJ mention the cab and speakers. You've said you love the sound of my MkIII but my cab isn't loaded with Celestions. It's still got the original stock Alnico speakers in it. I'd love some GB 25's though.

Hey bro...in your case I suspect it's just the fact that you re not using the 900 era cabs with whatever speakers they used...(75ss? 100s? can't remember)...Those MM cabs/amps had some dark/warm speakers in them (My brother had a mm combo and cab at one time, I borrowed it for a year when I lived in Cali along with his ES335).

I won't go so far to say it HAS to be a celestion, but some of the more modern marshall amps sound really crappy with V30s/75s, etc etc (for CLASSIC marshall tone anyways...if ya like the scoopy crap, they work fine)...

When you go with a warmer speaker...like an H30 or a GB20/25 they take on a completely different character.Who knows... my Dual Reverb may have sounded GREAT with GBs...but my cabs at the time were 75s and CL80s and I sold the POS sounding thing before I got around to experimnting with them.

 

[Kac]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

Hey Kac, keep an eye on these auctions

I was already watching one! :13: Thanks a lot for the help bro!

Rock On!!! :banana:

 

[joelap]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

For 600 and around there, I'm saying Avatar Cab with one of those Laney heads. If you're after that Tom Morello tone you mentioned before in another thread, get the avatar cab empty and get Peavey Scorpion's off of ebay.

 

[Kac]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

Thanks joe, yeah I'm definetly looking into some scorpions, and I've got a couple people helping me keep an eye out for the right head.

This thread is definetly a big help ~!~ :banana:

 

[joelap]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

^ Awesome. If you'd like I can show you how big of a difference the scorpions make in Tom Morello's tone. I've got a video of RATM playing "Bullet in the Head" but tom sounds much different when the chorus kicks in... much crunchier. At first I was like wtf, bad recording. But then I looked and he was using a Marshall cab instead of his Peavey. Honestly, turn off the whammy pedal and get rid of that kill-switch stuff he does in the song, its hardly noticable that it's Tom.

If you want the video to see for yourself the difference, hit me up a PM and I'll see if I can send it to you through email or aim or something sometime this week.

 

[Kac]

Re: Marshall sound, where all can it be found?

I've got a CRATE V30H 30 watt EL84 head sittin on my cab right now. It's a trial until tomorrow, but I think with a couple peavey scorpions I can get some great Morello tone out of this set-up...

I've been jamming a few songs from the new audioslave CD on my SG jr. and the crate is holdin' up very well...

If I decide to keep the crate I will let ya know and post some pics...

ROck On ~ Kac