Marshall stack vs. a Fender Tube Combo

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I personally would just get a dsl combo or something. Fender just doesn't cut it for the type of playing I do.
 
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Mike M. said:
Depending on how much volume you need and how much money you want to shell out, maybe you could find a used DRRI and try out one of those new Fulltone pedals. I think it's called the OCD. Yesterday I heard a clip at the Fulltone site of that pedal thru a '65 Deluxe Reverb with a Les Paul and personally I was very impressed. I'm not saying it sounded JUST like a Marshall, but some of that personality and flavor seemed to be there. So much that I'M even getting thought's!!

That's what it comes down to. You won't get "exactly" the same tone, but pedals like ToneBone's, the new Fulltone OCD, and others like the V Stack ARE amps in a box ;). If you have a clean slate to work off of, you can get pretty darn close :)
 
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Every time I get the chance to rap with a bar owner who has gone karaoke/DJ and stopped having bands and I finally get to the crux of why he made that decision the words "Jackass" and "Marshall Stack" invariably come up.

Bands are too damned loud and were getting replaced at an unprecedented rate.

Unload the Marshall and get an amp that can be cranked in a manner relative ot the places you're playing. PA's have evolved so that it's almost wholly unneccesray to need a half-stack.
 
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Skarekrough said:
Every time I get the chance to rap with a bar owner who has gone karaoke/DJ and stopped having bands and I finally get to the crux of why he made that decision the words "Jackass" and "Marshall Stack" invariably come up.

Bands are too damned loud and were getting replaced at an unprecedented rate.

Unload the Marshall and get an amp that can be cranked in a manner relative ot the places you're playing. PA's have evolved so that it's almost wholly unneccesray to need a half-stack.

that is some logical advice and makes sense. Why walk into a bar the size of my bedroom with a halfstack. If it sounds too loud in my apartment, chances are it'll be the same in there too!

MArshall combos just don't cut it and I've tried a bunch of stomp boxes such as Boss Blues Driver, OD1 and 2, Super Distortion, A bunch of Ratt pedals. The boxes just don't compare to the overdrive that comes from that Marshall cab, I guess.

I've been thinking about trying the Tube Screamer from Ibanez. Anyone tried one?
 
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Nite_Maresz_25 said:
dsl 401, 40 watt 1x12 dsl combo.
dsl 201, 20 watt 1x12 dsl combo.

Same Marshall tone without breaking the bank or your back! :laugh2:
 
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Do what i did and get a 2x12 cab!!!
I got the Mashall 1936 ,and you can carry it pretty easily with one hand, much more portable,Tho it may be cheaper for you to buy a mesa or even avatar cab, since im in Ireland Marshall stuff is pretty cheap compared to over there.Plus the Mesa and Avatar stuf I believe is even smaller than the marshall 2x12 (height wise anyway)
 
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ultimate club amps/bedroom amps with good smooth distortion...this typically spells small blackface fender amp. (vibrolux, deluxe, bandmaster, pro reverb, etc.)

What i really like about having a 40 watt bandmaster is that it's not really one of the big time collectables (about 20,000 were made, compared to the 1000 BF twins and just under 800 something vibroverbs...) so you can modify it without cringing at the dropping resale value. (you can still keep the original parts and restore it if you want to sell it again.)

You can also have a separate custom setup for your cab. I emptied out my peavey VTX 100 cab and fitted it with 1 15 inch JBL d130F. It sounds amazing, and since my bandmaster is 40 watts i can still turn it up without breaking windows Marshall style.
 
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y2stevo said:
Do what i did and get a 2x12 cab!!!
I got the Mashall 1936 ,and you can carry it pretty easily with one hand, much more portable,Tho it may be cheaper for you to buy a mesa or even avatar cab, since im in Ireland Marshall stuff is pretty cheap compared to over there.Plus the Mesa and Avatar stuf I believe is even smaller than the marshall 2x12 (height wise anyway)

That would be my choice, too. Sell the big a$$ 4x12" and get a 2x12". If you like your amp just don't sell it: why should you emulate something with something else that you have already had? Factory loaded G12T75s aren't a problem to lift but if you put Celestion G12Century speakers into a 1936 then you'll have a real featherwheight yet kick-ass portable rig.

Other than that, every tube Fenders I lifted were half a ton :nana:
 
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Get yourself a 2X12.

Fender and Marshall are different beasts. If you like the OD on the Marshall, you should stick with it. Will it sound different with a new cab? Yep. There are plenty of options. I'd suggest checking out Avatar speaker cabs (on the internet) and you can see some of them. If you can, go to a local shop and test drive various cabs with your Marshall.

BTW, I got to play on my uncle's Vibro (a '73 I think) and it is the BEST sounding little amp I've ever played. That said, I'll still not be using it for metal anytime soon.

Mark
 
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deftgala said:
that is some logical advice and makes sense. Why walk into a bar the size of my bedroom with a halfstack. If it sounds too loud in my apartment, chances are it'll be the same in there too!

I've been thinking about trying the Tube Screamer from Ibanez. Anyone tried one?

I know alot of guys that used to tote half-stacks around that now have a combo and an extra SM57 mic in case it needs to go through the PA.

The thing about the smaller tube amps is that pedals like the Tube Screamer are good for really goosing it at lower volumes to get it to the "optimal push" point on the tubes where it really sings. When the amp is cranked they're also great for really pushing the level a little further and giving some EQ.

Whatever you do don't confuse the Overdrive pedals (Tube Screamer, Super Overrive, Wasabi) with a Distortion unit; they're wholly different beasts. It's evey few weks I hear someone complaining about how a Tube Screamer sounded terrible for Slayer riffs. It's the wrong tool for the job!

Tube Screamers are almost religious icons. The original ones go for big money (for a pedal). The problem is that the Reissues have really left alot to be desired tonally. They just don't have "it".

I bought a Deluxe version about a year ago and it sat for most of that time; it never sounded good to me. John Spina suggested a mod to it and it instantly had "that" sound. The original manufactured versions are so far from what most folks are looking for that I would almost suggest at the outset that you go with a modified version to get a good idea of what they can sound like. From there you kind of get an idea of whose mods you think you're more inclined to.

I'd also like to mention that the Digitech Bad Monkey has been getting alot of press from the Tube Screamer crowd. I thought it was alot of hype until I picked one up. It wasn't the best deal I got on an Overdrive but for a new unit it's certainly got something on the Tube Screamers that the Tube Screamers don't have. For forty bucks it has found a home in my gear.

MArshall combos just don't cut it and I've tried a bunch of stomp boxes such as Boss Blues Driver, OD1 and 2, Super Distortion, A bunch of Ratt pedals. The boxes just don't compare to the overdrive that comes from that Marshall cab, I guess.


Going with a 2x12 will help to bring down your volume some as well as make it more portable. But I really feel the size and weight difference is negligible; it's another walk out to the car as far as I'm concerned.

Tonally the Fender combos are different from Marshall. But keep in mind that Marshall started out making amps that were. as Pete Townshend put it "The Fender Bassman only louder".

You may find that you like what you hear in the Fenders even more than the Marshall. Marshalls rarely agreed tonally with my ears. Save the BluesBreaker combo I've never played through one that I really liked. But the first time I cranked up my Deluxe Reverb Reissue and found that Allman Brothers tone I was hooked on that amp; and that's from a Reissue!

But never be afraid to try out new gear with the fear that you might like it more than what you have now. That's how you develop tonally and as a player.
 
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I would keep your Marshall, save some loot, and then buy the Fender. You will be able to test drive it for a while that way, and it will give you time to see if you truly like the Fender better or equally. A least you are not out, if you don't. You can always sell one or the other later. Just my 2 cents.
 
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the_Chris said:
If you want cleans, that's when you should look at a Fender. The good thing with Fenders is that you can keep them at low volume and they'll still sound great, so get a powerful one like a Twin, get a good distortion box like a Tone Bone Hot British and you should be able to cover both territories without shelling tons of cash.

this in my experience isnt true, i owned a mid 70's twin reverb and spent hundreds trying to get it to "rock" if you know what i mean, i bought the tonebone hot british and it just never sounded right, no matter how many ways i tweaked it.... even after i had the amp blackfaced which i thought would "warm it up" the sounds were thin, fizzy and sterile..... (incedentally the hot british sounded awsome through a solid state marshall, go figure)i bought a keeley SEds1 too which did the same thing... maybe it was the JBL speakers i dont know... twins are cool amps but thier not really easy to port around and seem to only work well with mild od like tubescreamers ....fuzz's sound good though generally
 
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guymanperson said:
this in my experience isnt true, i owned a mid 70's twin reverb and spent hundreds trying to get it to "rock" if you know what i mean, i bought the tonebone hot british and it just never sounded right, no matter how many ways i tweaked it.... even after i had the amp blackfaced which i thought would "warm it up" the sounds were thin, fizzy and sterile..... (incedentally the hot british sounded awsome through a solid state marshall, go figure)i bought a keeley SEds1 too which did the same thing... maybe it was the JBL speakers i dont know... twins are cool amps but thier not really easy to port around and seem to only work well with mild od like tubescreamers ....fuzz's sound good though generally

The Twin is...of course...the exception to the rule.

They're just too damned big to crank in most places and they're amps that NEED to be dimed to sound good.

There's a reason why there's always a flux of vintage Twins on the market. Guys get the idea in their head that they want that tone so they get one and suddenly realize that they need a neck brace and hiking apparel to remain in the blast zone those amps produce.

Once they get tired of torturing their ears they unload them to the next guy.
 
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what do you play, and what do you like about the marshall you currently own?

the facts have been laid down, lower wattage fenders are easier to tote around and get some pretty sweet OD. If you like that marshall tone, but want to go smaller, go for the DSL 201 or 401, but beware if you dont like el84's.
 
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guymanperson said:
this in my experience isnt true, i owned a mid 70's twin reverb and spent hundreds trying to get it to "rock" if you know what i mean, i bought the tonebone hot british and it just never sounded right, no matter how many ways i tweaked it.... even after i had the amp blackfaced which i thought would "warm it up" the sounds were thin, fizzy and sterile..... (incedentally the hot british sounded awsome through a solid state marshall, go figure)i bought a keeley SEds1 too which did the same thing... maybe it was the JBL speakers i dont know... twins are cool amps but thier not really easy to port around and seem to only work well with mild od like tubescreamers ....fuzz's sound good though generally

This may be a silly question, but have you been able to compare the Hot British to the Classic? My friend has a Tone Bone Classic that he runs through a Silverface Bassman and his tone is great... go figure?
 
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Guitar Toad said:
This a terrific Thread. It should be Vaulted. IMHO.


I second this motion!!!



Since the thread was written, I've decided to keep my 50watt DSL head and buy a '63 - '67 Fender Deluxe Reverb combo to keep it company. The duckets are being saved as I speak.

Angelo.
 
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deftgala said:
I second this motion!!!



Since the thread was written, I've decided to keep my 50watt DSL head and buy a '63 - '67 Fender Deluxe Reverb combo to keep it company. The duckets are being saved as I speak.

Angelo.
So, Now you are living in the best of both worlds, eh?
 
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