Marshall Studio Series

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Adieu said:
More like finally embracing the idea that their core customer is a middling-age male hobbyist with a garage/basement mancave or an empty nester...

With money to burn, but more difficulties and wariness than enjoyment when it comes to making use of 100w head sat on a 4x12. Wants less size, less volume, fewer potential issues with wife or neighbors

More midlife crisis 4-cylinder BMW coupe, less 700 bhp trackable monstrosity
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AKA me. Me 100W lie dormant, my Princeton Reverb sounds as good as always.

I want to try these out.
 
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dave74 said:
Only 112 cab I've ever loved is the mesa thiele w/c90.

Many say the older black-shadow evm was better,,,,,wish I had both to find out.
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They definitely sound different with the EVM; better or not is a matter of opinion. They're designed to be transparent and loud (like a PA box), so they might not be every guitar player's favorite cab.

Electro-Voice designed those cabinets for the EVM12L; their reference number is TL-806. Mesa used fancier looking grill cloth, but all of the functional elements are identical. Coincidentally (or maybe not) the EV TL-606 was the basis for the Mesa Boogie Diesel 1x15.

As far as closed 1x12s go, I definitely like a ported cabinet. I'm not a fan of the Marshall 1x12s, while the Mesa Recto 1x12s sound pretty good, and Bogner Cubes are amazing. I'm not super familiar with the Orange PPC112, but it seemed pretty comparable to the Mesa in the room.

For those that are interested, the Egnater Rebel 112X is a really good cabinet that comes stock with a pretty lackluster speaker. I bought one empty for $100, and loaded it first with an Emi Private Jack and later with an Emi Wizard. In terms of sound it's in the same ballpark as the Mesa IMO.

Securb said:
That thing is so sweet you got me gassing. I can't find a picture of the back online, is there anything interesting/out of the ordinary back there?
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Not really; Sweetwater posted pictures of the back a few days ago. It has separate output jacks for each OT tap, 1@16ohms, 2@8ohm, & 2@4ohms along with effects send and return and a button to bypass the loop.

Since I haven't posted it in a while, here's my contribution to the discussion:
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Mini Jubilee / Studio Jubilee 2525H on an Egnater Rebel 112X loaded with an Emi Wizard @ 16 ohms.
 
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Securb said:
That thing is so sweet you got me gassing. I can't find a picture of the back online, is there anything interesting/out of the ordinary back there?
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It's got an FX loop, which may or may not qualify as "interesting" depending on how much of a 2203 purist you are, but nothing else that you wouldn't expect.

@FuseG4 -- I think what's giving it the edge over the boutique low-wattage "modded Marshall-style" amps I've played is that it's actually running EL34s, not EL84s. That said, make no mistake -- it doesn't sound like a "modded" or "boutique" Marshall. It's a Marshall through-and-through, and if that's not what you're after, this isn't the amp for you.
 
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Cynical said:
@FuseG4 -- I think what's giving it the edge over the boutique low-wattage "modded Marshall-style" amps I've played is that it's actually running EL34s, not EL84s. That said, make no mistake -- it doesn't sound like a "modded" or "boutique" Marshall. It's a Marshall through-and-through, and if that's not what you're after, this isn't the amp for you.
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+1

I have an '88 2555 in addition to the Studio Jubilee and they're extremely close in terms of tone. The 2555 is (A LOT) louder and it's a bit thicker sounding too, but it's pretty hard to tell them apart unless you're literally swapping cables between the two, at least with the 2525 in 20W mode. Stepping down to 5W is another noticeable drop in volume and low end and it feels brighter though I'm not sure that's the case.

The biggest difference between the two is that the 2525 is EXTREMELY picky about power tubes. The 2555 doesn't care what's in the power section unless you're playing louder than god. I even swapped to KT-88s once and the difference was quite minimal; it was louder and a bit bassier than usual, but that was all. Swapping power tubes in the 2525 OTOH has a huge impact on frequency response even at home practice levels. The stock Tung-Sols were decent, but they're a bit thin on the bottom and the treble was hard to control. I have JJ EL-34s in there now and it's (almost) the same tone I've been loving with the 2555 for nearly 20 years.
 
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1J...UMI0Q9qhyIHayG3dyZFenrGvzFJ4DMqVSvyuLdC_AZgxk

I hesitate to post this, because wow my playing was rough on this, but here's some really raw sound clips. The Judas Priest riffs at the start were straight in; the Morbid Angel and Celtic Frost riffs were boosted with a TS-9. 20 watt mode, MV on 7 for the Judas Priest and Morbid Angel riffs, 10 for the Celtic Frost riffs, so this was quite loud. Guitar was my BC Rich (all maple, neck-through-body, 25.5" scale) with a Dimarzio SuperD bridge pickup, cab was my Bogner Uberkab (V30s, front loaded), and it was mic'd very close and directly with a single SM57. No post-effects.
 
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I think this is a fairly good move by Marshall. The Origin can cover the cheaper end of the market and these are for pros and producers not needing the full wattage but wanting a Plexi, jcm800 or Silver Jubilee. The fact they still use el34s rather than just taking the easy route and sticking lower wattage tubes in there is a big plus.
@FuseG4 -- I think what's giving it the edge over the boutique low-wattage "modded Marshall-style" amps I've played is that it's actually running EL34s, not EL84s. That said, make no mistake -- it doesn't sound like a "modded" or "boutique" Marshall. It's a Marshall through-and-through, and if that's not what you're after, this isn't the amp for you.
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thats the other great thing, plenty of boutique clones that sound modded, smoothed over like a studio 'marshall' sound but doesnt sound like the real thing which is lower gain, brighter and glassier.
The videos I have seen sound good and definitely sound like classic Marshall not a modern interpretation. That said that new Suhr amp has created tough competition in the high end studio side of the market, built in load and IRs and sounds great (at least with Pete Thorn playing it).
 
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Cynical said:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1J...UMI0Q9qhyIHayG3dyZFenrGvzFJ4DMqVSvyuLdC_AZgxk

I hesitate to post this, because wow my playing was rough on this, but here's some really raw sound clips. The Judas Priest riffs at the start were straight in; the Morbid Angel and Celtic Frost riffs were boosted with a TS-9. 20 watt mode, MV on 7 for the Judas Priest and Morbid Angel riffs, 10 for the Celtic Frost riffs, so this was quite loud. Guitar was my BC Rich (all maple, neck-through-body, 25.5" scale) with a Dimarzio SuperD bridge pickup, cab was my Bogner Uberkab (V30s, front loaded), and it was mic'd very close and directly with a single SM57. No post-effects.
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bwahahahaha sounded good! but that tone from 2:00 to 2:45 was like... yessss that's that $#1T I do like. After that, I thought it started to get a little too thick for my personal taste but I get it's a quick demo not everything will be perfect. Thank you for posting it lossless as well, that helps a lot with hearing the detail and upper harmonics that can either make an amp sound saturated and edgy in good amps and fizzy in poorer amps. Thanks!!
 
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Somebody asked for a pic. of the back. Here (below) (not mine i.e. I wish) (taken from Sweetwater's website).

Rear of the combo (SC20C).:
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Rear of the head (SC20H):
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FuseG4 said:
bwahahahaha sounded good! but that tone from 2:00 to 2:45 was like... yessss that's that $#1T I do like. After that, I thought it started to get a little too thick for my personal taste but I get it's a quick demo not everything will be perfect. Thank you for posting it lossless as well, that helps a lot with hearing the detail and upper harmonics that can either make an amp sound saturated and edgy in good amps and fizzy in poorer amps. Thanks!!
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Yeah, that super-thick tone at the end was done as a test of one particular thing (and I probably should have been clearer on this) -- the way that Tom Warrior from Celtic Frost got his tone was 25.5" scale guitar with SuperD, and tone knob at 0 on the bridge pickup -> Tube Screamer -> JCM800 2203 with all knobs dimed. Since I have all of the parts of that, I figured I'd give it a go, because, hey, it's one of the most iconic tones in metal! It actually came across more like the Hellhammer demos than the Celtic Frost recordings, I suspect there's a piece of the puzzle I need to tweak to get it dead-on.

The tone from 2:00 to 2:45, where I was playing some random riffs from "Maze of Torment" by Morbid Angel, was just everything on 7 other than bass and mids at 5, bridge pickup with vol and tone at 10, and the tube screamer in front. The Judas Priest "Rapid Fire" riffs at the start were the same settings, without the tube screamer.
 
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Hey Cynical.

Thanks for taking the time and going to the trouble of doing these recordings.

Yeh that was me chatting on the other thread (in my initial excitement I posted on that thread first and then saw this one afterward) (and figured I'd keep my comments there so as not to "upset the apple cart" on this thread!!! LOL!!!).

It's early days with these things obviously and I'm in no rush to replace my amps. so I'll wait and see with these. Like I said on the other thread: I'm just not hearing "it" (and that's no reflection on you at all).

By the way: have you tested/used the effects loop yet on your amp.??? I see there's already one dude over on the Marshall forums that's got an issue (and there was something else about a noise when switching something or the other).
 
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Well if it were me I’d test anyway. You never know in future. I too swore that this time around I wasn’t going to need nor use effects pedals. More wrong I could not have been.

And not trying to cause panic or slate these things either. Might be an isolated incident. But I did watch the DSL40 issues unfold (first there was one...) so I’m just not quite as infatuated with, and blindly accepting of, Marshall as I used to be (and their almost blatant disregard for CODE owners that have issues hasn’t helped either).

Truth be told: I’d love two of them I guess...
 
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FuseG4 said:
Yes not horrible but sometimes stuff like this makes me glad for Asian production that puts amps like the OR15 within the realm of "doable" for hobbyist guys like myself who don't have the credit to finance $1400 of gear all over the place.
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Nothing wrong with that. Orange amps are nice. I've heard great things about them. The Brent Hinds Terror is one I've had my eye on for a while. It can do blues just as well as metal.
 
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dystrust said:
+1

I have an '88 2555 in addition to the Studio Jubilee and they're extremely close in terms of tone. The 2555 is (A LOT) louder and it's a bit thicker sounding too, but it's pretty hard to tell them apart unless you're literally swapping cables between the two, at least with the 2525 in 20W mode. Stepping down to 5W is another noticeable drop in volume and low end and it feels brighter though I'm not sure that's the case.

The biggest difference between the two is that the 2525 is EXTREMELY picky about power tubes. The 2555 doesn't care what's in the power section unless you're playing louder than god. I even swapped to KT-88s once and the difference was quite minimal; it was louder and a bit bassier than usual, but that was all. Swapping power tubes in the 2525 OTOH has a huge impact on frequency response even at home practice levels. The stock Tung-Sols were decent, but they're a bit thin on the bottom and the treble was hard to control. I have JJ EL-34s in there now and it's (almost) the same tone I've been loving with the 2555 for nearly 20 years.
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This phenomenon of the sensitivity to power tubes with these Marshall power amps could be a crucial part of making the mini plexi and the mini 800 great amps. A plexi places great importance on power tube response, and an 800 turns into a beast if and when you can turn them up.

I had been running 6CA7s in my mini jubilee, but last night on a whim I threw in a pair of old tired winged C El34s. Different sound in good way. A lot less gain, but with single coils it was like instant Hendrix. You know that flutey lead tone he could get. All without pedals. With the mini plexi you could run KT66s and go for the JTM45/100 sound or you could run KT88s in the mini 800 for a classic Zach metal tone..and so forth. I have run KT66s in the mini too and it's instant Allman Bros. Very cool amps.
 
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Lake Placid Blues said:
This phenomenon of the sensitivity to power tubes with these Marshall power amps could be a crucial part of making the mini plexi and the mini 800 great amps. A plexi places great importance on power tube response, and an 800 turns into a beast if and when you can turn them up.

I had been running 6CA7s in my mini jubilee, but last night on a whim I threw in a pair of old tired winged C El34s. Different sound in good way. A lot less gain, but with single coils it was like instant Hendrix. You know that flutey lead tone he could get. All without pedals. With the mini plexi you could run KT66s and go for the JTM45/100 sound or you could run KT88s in the mini 800 for a classic Zach metal tone..and so forth. I have run KT66s in the mini too and it's instant Allman Bros. Very cool amps.
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I was talking to a Marshall dealer friend of mine the other day and speculating whether 6550s or KT88s would fit in the Studio Classic. If they do, I may have some GAS heading my way in the future...
 
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