Martin D18 vs.HD28

Martin D18 vs.HD28

  • D18

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • HD28

    Votes: 7 63.6%

  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

I've been a Martin fanboy for years, but don't have one yet, but since I've been learning Country stuff I've got the itch to finally buy a Martin.

I'm about 80% sure I've settled on a D-35.

Here's a good vid to watch. It's long, but they really elaborate on the differences and have some good audio to go with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHbXJ69K8b0

Thanks for the link.

YouTube is blocked right now, but will watch it later !

ANY YouTube clips is always appreciated !
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Look at it this yes you are pushing the budget BUT you are purchasing an heirloom guitar. Get the best deal you can but either guitar is a real keeper the first time I brought home a high end guitar I couldn't wait fir the day to be over so I could get home to play it
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

I will prefer the Gibson acoustics over Martin. My absolute favorite acoustic is the Gibson Advanced Jumbo (rosewood) followed by a J-45 (mahogany.) Personally, I think the Gibsons sound better when strummed with a pick and just the perfect all around tone.


Ever since i got into guitars, the J-45 was my 'go-to' acoustic.
It was just the ultimate acoustic guitar for me, and it is GIBSON.

That was until i picked up my 1st Martin in 2008.
WOW . . . i was BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER!!!

I heard the mystical acoustic tone in my head, for the 1st time in real life with my own ears, and not just my imagination !
That day in Orlando was an eye opening day !

Saying that - the dark burst J-45 is still one of the sexiest acoustics out there (for me) but tone wise, it is the Martin family of guitars, like the D35, HD28, D18, D Mahogany, that does it for me !
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Look at it this yes you are pushing the budget BUT you are purchasing an heirloom guitar. Get the best deal you can but either guitar is a real keeper the first time I brought home a high end guitar I couldn't wait fir the day to be over so I could get home to play it


YUP, that is exactly how i look at it !
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/guitars/series/item/190-hd-28.html

Are you referring to the 'amber tone' feature for an aditional $250.00 ?

"Available with a sunburst or ambertone shaded top for an additional $250"

No, but those are cool as well.

I meant this very expensive guy over here. The D-28 1941 authentic whatever whatever lots of money looks real neato and the top is more aged/yellow

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/martin-d-28-authentic-1941-acoustic-guitar

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Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

I own nine Martins, all dreads. My oldest is the 1975 D-28 that I bought new nearly 40 years ago.

I have a 2002 D-28 Standard, a 2003 D-35 Standard, and a 2004 D-18 Standard.

I own a DC Aura, and a limited edition MTV-1. This guitar has Mahogany back and side on the treble side and the bass side is Rosewood. Very unusual, but it works.

I have a third -28, an HD-28V, for Vintage. This guitar has a Sitka top with the old-style forward-shifted bracing, RW backs and sides, and upgraded fretboard inlays. This guitar is tremendously dynamic and responsive. I have a strong voice and I can barely out-sing this one.

Finally, my last two acquisitions are -18s: A 2012 The D-18 and a D-18 Golden Era with a Shaded Top. The GE has the forward-shifted bracing of the HD-28V with Mahogany backs and sides, and this top is Adirondack. The neck is also wider (1-3/4")and deeper. Gorgeous guitar, again very responsive and loud.

The new D-18 is an amalgam of the Standard Series D-18, the D-18 Vintage, and the neck profile is taken from Martin's Performer Series--a new Taylor-esque profile and 1-3/4" width. It has a Sitka top with the forward-shifted bracing, making it very responsive and loud. The Standard and Vintage D-18s are discontinued. I think this guitar is killer--one of the best values in the Martin line. Its plain ornamentation appeals to many; it is a working man's guitar, and it should record very well. The Adi top of the GE model gives it a slightly crisper attack. Adi has the reputation of taking longer to break in and mellow out.

The HD-28 has an advantage over the standard D-28 in that it has scalloped bracing, but it is not forward-shifted as on the HD-28V. The sound is a bit tighter, and the bass is not quite as overpowering. I've attended Martin Clinics featuring renowned Nashville bluegrass picker and luthier Richard Starkey, who has an extensive collection of vintage Martins. He has told me that the HD-28 is in his opinion the most versatile Martin; if he could only own one, it would be the HD-28. I don't own an HD-28, but this makes sense to me.

The standard consensus for many years has been that if you are a male singer/songwriter strummer, a Rosewood dread like a D-28 is the way to go. And your buddy who plays the lead parts behind you should choose the cutting power of the Mahogany guitar. Doc and Merle Watson, Jim Croce and Maury, James Taylor and "Kootch", etc. Modern recording and PA system improvements make this a somewhat moot point.

But if you plug in, you should look a couple of other models in the Martin line. The new Retro Series offer the excellent Fishman F1 Aura pickup and preamp--this system is amazing. There are four models, a D-18, HD-28, D-45 and OM-28. These are just killer, and if I do wind up owning an HD-28, I suspect it will be a Retro model. The DC Aura that I have has an earlier version of Fishman's Aura system, and it works very well. These are built on Martin's -16 Series chassis with a mortise and tenon neck joint, rather than Martin's traditional dovetail. The neck on the DC Aura has a very low profile that will appeal to the electric guitarist. The bling factor of this guitar is nearly off the chart--lots of abalone.

And if you are a Taylor fan, Martin offers it's Performing Artist Series. The top line of these guitars is very impressive--a bit of Taylor feel and look, with warm Martin tone and soul.

I also have a 2002 Taylor 710CE with a Fishman preamp. Much better than the Expression System, but this guitar is not my favorite. It's getting very little use, as I prefer to play out with the DC Aura--it just sounds so much better. I'm probably going to sell the Taylor.

I hope this helps. Good luck in your tone journey. A Martin guitar is a lifelong friend. My old '75 has been with me through all the good times and the bad--one of the best investments I've ever made--not in the guitar...in ME.

Bill
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/guitars/series/item/190-hd-28.html

Are you referring to the 'amber tone' feature for an aditional $250.00 ?

"Available with a sunburst or ambertone shaded top for an additional $250"
It's called an "aging toner", its on the "V" and Marquis models (even the Clapton and Mayer). You might be able to order it on the standard models.

All else being equal, rosewood will have more bass and more harmonics. Mahogany will be more focused on the fundamental note. Lots comes down to design, I think a mahogany Martin has more sparkle than a rosewood Gibson. Bracing plays a large role in bass response, thinner and/or scalloped bracing delivers more bass and slightly less headroom, and shifting the bracing closer to the soundhole opens up the guitar a bit as well.

If you are interested in a rosewood Martin dreadnought, check out all options:
D-28 (straight 3/8" bracing)
HD-28 (scalloped 3/8" bracing)
D-35 (straight 1/4" bracing)
HD-35 (scalloped 1/4" bracing)
HD-28V (forward shifted scalloped 3/8" bracing)

Very interesting to understand the differences that simple top bracing makes.
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Howdy,

I test-drove both guitars for an hour last Summer in an effort to find a companion for my '94 D-28. I chose the 2013 D-18, with it's scalloped bracing and slightly wider nut-an important improvement over Martin's standard dreads. I find that I flub fewer chords with my new 2013 D-18 than with my '94 D-28, which has a slightly narrower nut-width than today's D-18. My 2013 D-18 makes me smile every time I hit a chord; it remains the best sounding new acoustic I've ever played.

PS: If we're talking pre-2012, I'd have to strongly consider the HD-28! The OP didn't specify, so I wanted to mention this.
 
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Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Howdy,

I test-drove both guitars for an hour last Summer in an effort to find a companion for my '94 D-28. I chose the 2013 D-18, with it's scalloped bracing and slightly wider nut-an important improvement over Martin's standard dreads. I find that I flub fewer chords with my new 2013 D-18 than with my '94 D-28, which has a slightly narrower nut-width than today's D-18. My 2013 D-18 makes me smile every time I hit a chord; it remains the best sounding new acoustic I've ever played.

PS: If we're talking pre-2012, I'd have to strongly consider the HD-28! The OP didn't specify, so I wanted to mention this.

Thanks for the info eggman !

Care to mention how a 2010 HD-28 differs from a current 2014 model ?

Cheers
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

It's called an "aging toner", its on the "V" and Marquis models (even the Clapton and Mayer). You might be able to order it on the standard models.

All else being equal, rosewood will have more bass and more harmonics. Mahogany will be more focused on the fundamental note. Lots comes down to design, I think a mahogany Martin has more sparkle than a rosewood Gibson. Bracing plays a large role in bass response, thinner and/or scalloped bracing delivers more bass and slightly less headroom, and shifting the bracing closer to the soundhole opens up the guitar a bit as well.

If you are interested in a rosewood Martin dreadnought, check out all options:
D-28 (straight 3/8" bracing)
HD-28 (scalloped 3/8" bracing)
D-35 (straight 1/4" bracing)
HD-35 (scalloped 1/4" bracing)
HD-28V (forward shifted scalloped 3/8" bracing)

Very interesting to understand the differences that simple top bracing makes.


GREAT info . . . thank you very much ;)
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Ever since i got into guitars, the J-45 was my 'go-to' acoustic.
It was just the ultimate acoustic guitar for me, and it is GIBSON.

That was until i picked up my 1st Martin in 2008.
WOW . . . i was BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER!!!

I heard the mystical acoustic tone in my head, for the 1st time in real life with my own ears, and not just my imagination !
That day in Orlando was an eye opening day !

Saying that - the dark burst J-45 is still one of the sexiest acoustics out there (for me) but tone wise, it is the Martin family of guitars, like the D35, HD28, D18, D Mahogany, that does it for me !

My cousin prefers Martins–IMO, I think they may have an edge when fingerpicked but for strumming I definitely prefer the Gibsons.

My favorite burst on the J-45 is the Cobraburst

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Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

I own nine Martins, all dreads. My oldest is the 1975 D-28 that I bought new nearly 40 years ago.

I have a 2002 D-28 Standard, a 2003 D-35 Standard, and a 2004 D-18 Standard.

I own a DC Aura, and a limited edition MTV-1. This guitar has Mahogany back and side on the treble side and the bass side is Rosewood. Very unusual, but it works.

I have a third -28, an HD-28V, for Vintage. This guitar has a Sitka top with the old-style forward-shifted bracing, RW backs and sides, and upgraded fretboard inlays. This guitar is tremendously dynamic and responsive. I have a strong voice and I can barely out-sing this one.

Finally, my last two acquisitions are -18s: A 2012 The D-18 and a D-18 Golden Era with a Shaded Top. The GE has the forward-shifted bracing of the HD-28V with Mahogany backs and sides, and this top is Adirondack. The neck is also wider (1-3/4")and deeper. Gorgeous guitar, again very responsive and loud.

The new D-18 is an amalgam of the Standard Series D-18, the D-18 Vintage, and the neck profile is taken from Martin's Performer Series--a new Taylor-esque profile and 1-3/4" width. It has a Sitka top with the forward-shifted bracing, making it very responsive and loud. The Standard and Vintage D-18s are discontinued. I think this guitar is killer--one of the best values in the Martin line. Its plain ornamentation appeals to many; it is a working man's guitar, and it should record very well. The Adi top of the GE model gives it a slightly crisper attack. Adi has the reputation of taking longer to break in and mellow out.

The HD-28 has an advantage over the standard D-28 in that it has scalloped bracing, but it is not forward-shifted as on the HD-28V. The sound is a bit tighter, and the bass is not quite as overpowering. I've attended Martin Clinics featuring renowned Nashville bluegrass picker and luthier Richard Starkey, who has an extensive collection of vintage Martins. He has told me that the HD-28 is in his opinion the most versatile Martin; if he could only own one, it would be the HD-28. I don't own an HD-28, but this makes sense to me.

The standard consensus for many years has been that if you are a male singer/songwriter strummer, a Rosewood dread like a D-28 is the way to go. And your buddy who plays the lead parts behind you should choose the cutting power of the Mahogany guitar. Doc and Merle Watson, Jim Croce and Maury, James Taylor and "Kootch", etc. Modern recording and PA system improvements make this a somewhat moot point.

But if you plug in, you should look a couple of other models in the Martin line. The new Retro Series offer the excellent Fishman F1 Aura pickup and preamp--this system is amazing. There are four models, a D-18, HD-28, D-45 and OM-28. These are just killer, and if I do wind up owning an HD-28, I suspect it will be a Retro model. The DC Aura that I have has an earlier version of Fishman's Aura system, and it works very well. These are built on Martin's -16 Series chassis with a mortise and tenon neck joint, rather than Martin's traditional dovetail. The neck on the DC Aura has a very low profile that will appeal to the electric guitarist. The bling factor of this guitar is nearly off the chart--lots of abalone.

And if you are a Taylor fan, Martin offers it's Performing Artist Series. The top line of these guitars is very impressive--a bit of Taylor feel and look, with warm Martin tone and soul.

I also have a 2002 Taylor 710CE with a Fishman preamp. Much better than the Expression System, but this guitar is not my favorite. It's getting very little use, as I prefer to play out with the DC Aura--it just sounds so much better. I'm probably going to sell the Taylor.

I hope this helps. Good luck in your tone journey. A Martin guitar is a lifelong friend. My old '75 has been with me through all the good times and the bad--one of the best investments I've ever made--not in the guitar...in ME.

Bill


Bad internet connection where i am - somewhere between Hawaii & San Fran.

Still wanted to thank you for the invaluable info and BOOM, we lost satellite connection - i.e. no internet.

So Bill, thank you very much fr the fantastic info (as usual)

GREAT to see you are not just a Mesa fan, but also a Martin fan ;)

Right now, i am thinking about the HD-28V . . . but i am not too sure i can stretch THAT far.
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

I t just re-upped the hydration thing in my case. Keep up on the humidity factor.
PC
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

I went through the same decision a little while back and wound up with a D-35, then a couple weeks later bought an OM 35. The 1/4 inch bracing gives an effect that is very similar to scalloping
so the guitar gives a bit more low end and more top end without losing the midrange. Lots of people say that you can't get a good lead tone on a D-35, I disagree. I also love the 3 piece back
and the binding of the 35

 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Having played both, and owning neither, I'd whichever one I could get.

That said, I'll roll HD-29. There is something "tingly" to the sound of that to my ears vs the D18, which merely sounds awesome.
 
Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

Howdy,

I also wanted to mention that it's nice to talk about Mahogany vs. Rosewood, the various nut widths, etc. Most important of all is for a prospective Martin owner to test-drive as many different models as possible! Try two D-28s, 3 D-18s and 2 HD-28s. You'll discover that two D-28s won't sound the same. Neither will two HD-28s. Find one that speaks to you. That's pretty much what I did when I acquired my 2013 D-18. It's an uncomfortable fact that some guitars-part Spruce, part Rosewood, et al-think that they're still trees! Find that imperfect combination of wood and steel that knows it's a guitar from the moment they place it in it's case in Nazereth, Pa. Enjoy the journey :)
 
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Re: Martin D18 vs.HD28

SH!TTe . . . i ran into a spot of bother today ! (big time :( . . . )

Island Guitars (Hawaii) did not have the HD-28V to test again today, so i started to look around on the store.

I made the mistake to pick up their 2013 Gibson ES-330 with P90s.

I just created a real bad case of A vs. B now.

Two extremely diff guitars, but holy hell . . . that ES-330 sp0ke to me like no other electric has in decades.

WHAT TO DO ???

I can NOT get both . . . and i am affraid that this is not just a case of short lived GAS . . . this guitar has tons of MOJO.

ANY ADVICE guys ???
 
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