Martin "HPL" (000 XCE)

rts99

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So what's the deal with this Martin "HPL" material? I played a 000XCE yesterday and was completely impressed with the guitar. Great tone, good balance, good projection, good articulation, good neck size, feel, action, frets, finish, everything. And priced at 800 bucks. It is a little on the Plain Jane side but in black it actually comes across as elegant. Very sparse in cosmetic details but also very well done.

I didn't play it through an amp so I have no idea what the electronics are like. I'm a little put off by the cheap laminate neck but it feels great & plays great. It should be much more stable than a solid piece of maple or mahogany. It just looks cheap. I also suspect that the "HPL" material & process are also very cheap, but the results are impressive. I'm not sure what the fingerboard or bridge materials are, they look like ebony but at $800 I doubt it. They are probably some other cheap man made material but they work. All in all it's hard to argue with the results. At least while new..... I suspect the durability is considerably reduced but for the right price that may be acceptable. I don't think $800 is the right price though.

One annoyance is that when you stroke the top of the guitar with your hand or finger the guitar responds & you can hear it quite clearly. It sounds a lot like the vibration of a wound string when your fingers slide over them. I suspect this is due to the flat surface applied to the top. But this just shows how resonant the guitar top & body really are. I want to "interview" one for a few days to see if I remain impressed. Maybe I'll see if I can find a shop that will allow a 30 day "test drive". If I can get over my cultural bias regarding flimsy man made materials the guitar may be a keeper. Until it de-laminates anyway.

Thanks for your thoughts in advance.
 
Re: Martin "HPL" (000 XCE)

If you like it, that's all that matters. I wasn't too much of a fan of the HPL when I played it, but everyone is looking for different qualities in an acoustic guitar. Some makers like Yamaha and Taylor seem to do laminate better than Martin to me. Your experience may be completely different. :)

Certain makers like Larivee and Seagull (and the Chinese makers like Eastman) make solid wood guitars in your price range, I would suggest you look into those as well.
 
Re: Martin "HPL" (000 XCE)

I have a Martin LX1, which is built using the same technique. Quite good for what it it - I chose it out of several different things the shop had, including a Taylor Baby (spruce, and all mahogany variants) and a Yamaha; it had the fullest sound out of the bunch. It's quite midrangey.

Very well made too. Current specs say that the fingerboard/bridge are Indian r/w but when I got mine, the spec was morado, which is a stripy, light coloured type of rosewood.

I bought it for travel - fits in the overhead easily. Because of the laminates, it is more resilient to drastic temperature/humidity changes.
 
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Re: Martin "HPL" (000 XCE)

Last summer I worked on a Martin dreadnaught that was made out of HPL. It is a huge pain in the neck to work on. The guitar came to me in really bad shape...the owner said his girlfriend hit him over the head with it! Several loose/broken top braces; top separating from kerfing; severely "bubbled" top. The primary problem is that you cannot use wood glue to secure the bracing to the top. Same with the kerfing. Also, there is a HUGE bridge plate that helps stabilize the top, but to me seems like a poor design, as it made it very, very difficult to glue down the loose X-braces. Plus, the top was severely bubbled despite the large bridge plate. I did repair the guitar and a JDL Bridge Doctor helped control the top warping, and the customer was happy as hell to have his guitar playable again.

For that kind of money, I would definitely look at a solid wood topped guitar with laminate or solid sides/back.

Peavey is making an all graphite, small bodied acoustic that looks & sounds really good, too. I saw a guy playing one at an open mic one night and the tone was great. I spoke with owner after he performed and he said he loved it for traveling. Not sure what they cost, though. I believe they are quite a bit cheaper than the Rainsongs.
 
Re: Martin "HPL" (000 XCE)

Brian, In your post you mentioned you could not use wood glue on the Martin HPL. What type of glue did you sue?
 
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