MASS vs. Hotplate, amp sound clip?

MASS vs. Hotplate, amp sound clip?

  • Weber MASS

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • THD Hotplate

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • Other... pleez specify

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Total voters
    12
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I know this has been done but i need a reminder...

Weber MASS vs. THD Hotplate, which do you prefer and why?

Also... someone in here posted a web page with sound clips of different amps... think it was done by Chris Snyder? but I lost the link and can't find it again. Also another guy did like the whole frequency analiysis thing with the 2 attenuators and a VHT Pitbull or something... anyone have the link?

Thankx for your input.
 
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I used to have the link, but I formatted my computer......

I have a preference for the Hotplate (I use two of them). It's a great piece of kit, sounds great, and is built like a tank.

The Mass is also a great piece of kit.

Your best bet is to try both. No matter what people will try to say, nothing is transparent, and everything colours your tone. If you try both with your amp, you'll be able to select the one that colours it in the way most pleasing to you.
 
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The Ultimate Attenuator looks to be better than both of them, but still not perfection.
 
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Hey don;t forget to vote guys... ;) this is a poll you know
 
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The first thing I'd do would be to get a bias trimmer installed in that Boogie.
 
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I have plenty of soundclips of the Mass but I'd like to hear some of the hotplate.
The mass is great at reasonably lower volumes to loud volumes, but you do get that noisy compressed sound if you try to play at "bedroom" volumes. I don't know how any attenuator can avoid that, since the speakers need to move in order to get a good rock sound.
 
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mrid said:
The first thing I'd do would be to get a bias trimmer installed in that Boogie.
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Wazzat? Educate me.

Stevo said:
I have plenty of soundclips of the Mass but I'd like to hear some of the hotplate.
The mass is great at reasonably lower volumes to loud volumes, but you do get that noisy compressed sound if you try to play at "bedroom" volumes. I don't know how any attenuator can avoid that, since the speakers need to move in order to get a good rock sound.
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Well I don't mean REAL quite bedroom level but i'd like to get a cranked, throttled tone without rattling the windows and attracting the cop's attention.
 
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No vote from me. Different amps seem to favor different attenuators.

As for attenuators and "bedroom volume", IMO there's gonna be substantial tone suckage regardless of your attenuator.
 
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Um... read post 10 a little more carefully man
 
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B2D said:
Um... read post 10 a little more carefully man
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Okay. Let me put it this way. More than 8 dB of attenuation is gonna sound strangled with any attenuator. :)
 
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ive had my mass for a few years and its a great unit, i even dropped it down a flight of stairs and used it at a gig that night, worked just fine.
 
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Guys I don't mean to steal this thread, but I have also been thinking about purchasing one myself. Even at 50 watts my rig is deafening. I run my rig at 16 ohms mono. My question is that the attenuators seem to only be available in any one type of ohm load. I am no tech, and I run my rig at 16 ohms because it seems to run the quietest. Does that seem like correct logic? I have the ability to go from 4-16 though. Which attenuator ohm load should I get, not only for my current setup, but also for the versatility of future setups? Thanks.
 
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aleclee said:
Okay. Let me put it this way. More than 8 dB of attenuation is gonna sound strangled with any attenuator. :)
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8db is almost cutting the volume in half... alls i need is just to get a throttled tone at a decent volume without having the windows rattling and people telling me to close the damn door when its already closed and there's a mattress against it :D

I take it you're not a big fan of attenuators? Or are you just really sensitive to the tonal change? I wouldn't be surprised if you were... I'm a picky mofo myself haha.
 
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B2D said:
I take it you're not a big fan of attenuators? Or are you just really sensitive to the tonal change? I wouldn't be surprised if you were... I'm a picky mofo myself haha.
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Actually, I'm a happy hotplate owner. :) I just think a lot of people don't have realistic expectations about attenuators.

As for the 8dB thing, look at it this way:

Take a 50W output and apply 8dB of attenuation. You're down to ~8 watts. Assuming your speaker sensitivity is 100dB/W @ 1m, you're looking at ~100dB at 10 ft. Even if you turn down so the amp's pre-attenuated output is only 5W, you're gonna have SPLs of about 90dB in that room. That's not gonna blow your eardrums but it's enough for you to get a pretty good case of tinnitus as you get older.
 
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Burkwieser said:
Guys I don't mean to steal this thread, but I have also been thinking about purchasing one myself. Even at 50 watts my rig is deafening. I run my rig at 16 ohms mono. My question is that the attenuators seem to only be available in any one type of ohm load. I am no tech, and I run my rig at 16 ohms because it seems to run the quietest. Does that seem like correct logic? I have the ability to go from 4-16 though. Which attenuator ohm load should I get, not only for my current setup, but also for the versatility of future setups? Thanks.
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Everything should match the cab.

If not using an attenuator, the amp's output impedance should match that of the cab. If adding an attenuator, it too should match. SS amps can be safely mismatched as long as the load is bigger than the amp expects (e.g., 16 ohm load with 8 ohm output). Tube amps get stressed out in either direction: you greatly accelerate tube wear by using a lower-than-expected load and can fry the output tranny by using a higher-than-expected load. That said, most tube amps will tolerate a mismatch factor of 2:1 (e.g., 8 ohm output into a 16 ohm cab).
 
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This is extremly interesting to me being that just the other day I went the THD site and came across the Hotplate.

The Hotplate mentions that you need to know what your cab Imped.load will be in order to know which Hotplate model to buy. I was told that the MASS can actually cover several imped.settings. This would be a great option because I may deciede to run a different cab or switch back & forth due to the gig size.

If this is true, then it seems like the MASS is the way to go.

Boze.
 
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